Apostolic Feminists

[MissBrattified]

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

Most prophets preached that is the crux of the matter but women who were prophetesses prophecied NONE preached that is the point. If a female prophet was percieved as a godly woman who prophocied only I would not have a problem but in todays language it is infered a woman prophet is a preacher.

Okay.... So technically speaking, a woman can be a prophet, but strictly in the prophesying role and no other...got it!!!

[COOPER]

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

Most prophets preached that is the crux of the matter but women who were prophetesses prophecied NONE preached that is the point. If a female prophet was percieved as a godly woman who prophocied only I would not have a problem but in todays language it is infered a woman prophet is a preacher.

1 Timothy 2 (King James Version)
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1 Timothy 2
1I exhort therefore, that, first of all, supplications, prayers, intercessions, and giving of thanks, be made for all men;

2For kings, and for all that are in authority; that we may lead a quiet and peaceable life in all godliness and honesty.

3For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour;

4Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.

5For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;

6Who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time.

7Whereunto I am ordained a preacher, and an apostle, (I speak the truth in Christ, and lie not a teacher of the Gentiles in faith and verity.

8I will therefore that men pray every where, lifting up holy hands, without wrath and doubting.

9In like manner also, that women adorn themselves in modest apparel, with shamefacedness and sobriety; not with broided hair, or gold, or pearls, or costly array;

10But (which becometh women professing godliness) with good works.

11Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection.

12But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.
13For Adam was first formed, then Eve.

14And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression. 15Notwithstanding she shall be saved in childbearing, if they continue in faith and charity and holiness with sobriety.

In Timothy, He said "I" not God, {Suffer not a woman to teach]

Then he implies that it was the woman first decieved not man.

As to say she is weak and not to be trusted?

[COOPER]

Originally Posted by MissBrattified

Okay.... So technically speaking, a woman can be a prophet, but strictly in the prophesying role and no other...got it!!!

But MissBrattifeid,
A women preaching the gospel of Jesus for salvation to men, is only preaching Gods word unto salvation.

It is a sin that a man should be saved through the preaching of a woman?

Shall the man be saved by her words, but yet she is condemned for preaching the word?

[Steve Epley]

Originally Posted by MissBrattified

Okay.... So technically speaking, a woman can be a prophet, but strictly in the prophesying role and no other...got it!!!

Not comfortable with the way the word is used today but yes.

[Steve Epley]

Originally Posted by COOPER

In Timothy, He said "I" not God, {Suffer not a woman to teach]

Then he implies that it was the woman first decieved not man.

As to say she is weak and not to be trusted?

Was Paul inspired to write it???????????????????

[Sister Alvear]

I refuse to get a wrong spirit over women preachers or anything...last day messages, when Jesus is coming and a whole lot more stuff...I just want my spirit and my attitude to be right. I was a single missionary for 4 years before I married and the women haters tryed to get me to go home and went as far as to tell me I was going to hell! (this is not directed at Brother Epley so please do not take this wrong)
But I know He that called made no mistake and I did my best as a single missionary and do my best as a married woman to work in whatever He asks in His fields.
Personally, I have no problem with leadership and those that know me best know I HATE to get up before a crowd but if it falls my lot I will do whatever is asked of me...
Whatever He says I will do...
I heard a beautiful message by Sister McGruder last night how God healed her of cancer. My husband could not be here last night as he preached somewhere else but he told me he would have given a lot just to hear her story...
One of the things that bothers me and maybe it is because I have been in a completely different culture for 40 years but when American men come and we have a ladies meeting and they show no interest whatsoever in what their wife is saying and would never care to listen to her...
I am a blessed lady to have such a kind noble husband that encourages me in the work of the Lord. Sometimes he askes someone to teach his Sunday School class and just appears in mine and says, "decided to come back you...wanted to listen today..." Does that make me feel I am teaching him? OF course not...does that make me feel he is interested in me and my SS class...YES, it does...I study my lessons harder for how do I know when he just might ask someone else to teach his class (the adults) and pop in my class... not only does he show up in my class he appears in some of our other classes...
We are so proud to have a pastor that makes each one of his helpers feel important to him....
I witnessed one pastor laugh at his wife...it deeply hurt me...he was that group that felt he was so high and mighty...he came tumbling down...
I do not mean that all men that do not believe in women workers would feel that way for many DO not...but we need to be extra careful what we say for either side could be wrong...All we say the recording angel writes it down...

I am greatly impressed by women such as Sister Holmes she has always been my role model since a small girl...I still remember sermons she preached when I was in grade and high school...such a lady...
I hope I can be remembered as a lady...

[Sister Alvear]

I mean no harm I just think many heated discussions start and many end up enemies and we live in the same camp...
I love God's people both his men and women and I do bleive there is a divine order and I respect it...but I do not respect men that say vulgar things about women from the pulpits or in their little circles...
I respect people that differ...I hope I can in some little way be a lady that has a right spirit in every matter. And on this subject we need all the godly men we can get for I am not afriad to follow a godly man...
My husband is a godly man, my pastor is a godly man...and I am blessed to know many godly men...and many that write here both pro and con are godly men...Thank you for such an example!

[Sister Alvear]

and let me say here over the years as a lady I probably have done lots of "mens" jobs...but today I no longer have to do any of those things. I do other things...my greatest interest at the moment is my dear SS class.

I do not personally have a car Brother Alvear does but if I had a car my burden would be to go and gather in the street childern and take them to our place and work with them...but since I cannot do that I work with those around me and we have a nice little group and with my grocery money I save enough to pay music classes for a couple of them and have put some of them in a sign language class....and I just put more water in the beans!

So my dear ladies just do what you can do....
Someone asks me last night was I an ordained minister? I said no and don't plan on it either...why would I need a paper to tell someone about Jesus?
lol...
Well, I love you folks...

[Felicity]

Originally Posted by COOPER

Yes, I saw it first hand at the old UPC Bible College/Church in Dover Delaware.
She had muscular Jaws and walked like a body builder. When I saw her preach it was like watching a Rainbow warrior in pulpit. I could not focus on the message.

I'm sure I know who you're talking about. I remember her.

[Sister Alvear]

I don't think any Godly lady would want to take authority over a man...