Rockets hitting Jerusalem

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by shazeep

no, i don't even pay them much attention.

It does not seem that way at all. You seem mired in them

If satan runs the world, conspiracies must then abound. The correct answer is 'get out of the world,' yes?

So how do you decide which conspiracy theory to choose from?

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by shazeep

ah, the fruit of politics, and pledging allegiance to a flag. peace to you guys.

Can you answer the question? Why don't they bomb Egypt?

You seem to be missing the point. Hamas is there for one reason, to destroy Israel. they don't spend money on bomb shelters. They spend them on tunnels and Rockets and other arms for the sole reason of trying to destroy Israel.

It's not about the border crossing

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by shazeep

He told Abraham this--that Ishmael's heirs would strive against Isaac's...i'm not on the right pc to search it, maybe someone can help here.

Yes and Ishmael's heirs were not Muslims (a religion not a race or a nation)

Now...here is what it REALLY says

Gen 16:12 He shall be a wild donkey of a man, his hand against everyone and everyone's hand against him, and he shall dwell over against all his kinsmen."

It does not say God made this man for the sole purpose of resisting Israel. Israel, the nation and the people, did not even exist at this time

Do you see "Israel" in there? Do you see "be for resisting Israel" in there? Do you see "Muslims"? I don't even see "Arabs" and most Muslims are not even technically Arab.

Hamas represents Iran...Persians. Persians...not Arabs. Persians

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by n david

Ishmael's descendants were the Palestinians, not a religious sect like Muslims. The OT shows the conflict between the Jews and Palestinians, which continues today. There isn't one mention in the Bible of "Muslims."

They probably were not specifically Palestinians.

Look at History guys...there was no Palestinian for years. There was no Palestine.

Rome "Invented" the name for the reason of Israel. What people occupied all Israel in those days?

Not Muslims. Not Palestinians. Not Arabs. Israelites/Samaritans. A little bit of the Medes. Some Greeks and Romans, but mostly Semitic decedents of Israel and non Israeli decedents

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

93% of Palestinians are Muslim (Sunni), from what I understand.

Sunni/Muslim is a religion not a race/nationality

[n david]

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

93% of Palestinians are Muslim (Sunni), from what I understand.

That may be today, but at the time of this text, until well after the death of Christ, there was no Muslim religion. Thus, this isn't speaking of a religion, but the Palestinian people.

[Praxeas]

Yeah, I don't see any biblical reason or historical to refer to the Palestinians as the descendents of Ishmael.

Genetic analysis suggests that a majority of the Muslims of Palestine, inclusive of Arab citizens of Israel, are descendants of Christians, Jews and other earlier inhabitants of the southern Levant whose core may reach back to prehistoric times. A study of high-resolution haplotypes demonstrated that a substantial portion of Y chromosomes of Israeli Jews (70%) and of Palestinian Muslim Arabs (82%) belonged to the same chromosome pool.[31] Since the time of the Muslim conquests in the 7th century, religious conversions have resulted in Palestinians being predominantly Sunni Muslim by religious affiliation, though there is a significant Palestinian Christian minority of various Christian denominations, as well as Druze and a small Samaritan community.

Though Palestinian Jews made up part of the population of Palestine prior to the creation of the State of Israel, few identify as "Palestinian" today. Acculturation, independent from conversion to Islam, resulted in Palestinians being linguistically and culturally Arab.[16] The vernacular of Palestinians, irrespective of religion, is the Palestinian dialect of Arabic. Many Arab citizens of Israel including Palestinians are bilingual and fluent in Hebrew.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinian_people

[Praxeas]

And again

The Israeli cabinet approved a 24-hour extension of its cease-fire Saturday but said it would respond to any future rocket fire from Gaza after Hamas rejected an earlier proposed four-hour extension and fired rockets into Israel.
The announcement came after Hamas confirmed that it fired five rockets at Israel late Saturday after rejecting an earlier offer from Israel to extend a 12-hour humanitarian cease-fire by four hours, casting new doubt on international efforts to broker an end to 19 days of fighting.
http://www.foxnews.com/world/2014/07...s-rocket-fire/

[n david]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

A study of high-resolution haplotypes demonstrated that a substantial portion of Y chromosomes of Israeli Jews (70%) and of Palestinian Muslim Arabs (82%) belonged to the same chromosome pool.[31]

Same father, Abraham. Isaac/Jews. Ishmael/Palestinians.

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by n david

Same father, Abraham. Isaac/Jews. Ishmael/Palestinians.

Yeah...I don't see any reason to believe Palestinians are Ishmael's descendents.

In fact if they were they should be both Egyptian and descendents of Abraham

Israelites intermarried with everyone pretty much. Same with Paletinians.

They could be Iraqi...They could be Arabians...Or they could simply not exist anymore as a distinguishable tribe since there has been so much intermarriage