You Be The Judge: Afp1996 vs Jason

[Admin]

Originally Posted by Crossfire

Since I have been outed, let me state why I am back with Bishop Gary Reckart.

A few months back, I suffered something that almost crippled me, both emotionally and almost physically. I was afterwards so badly injured by men that I left the faith, feeling I was persona non grata. The wounds I suffered were the deepest I ever endured, and the pain was almost to the point of killing me.

While other so-called men of God mocked me, belittled me, and even refered to me as a vomiting dog, the only man of God who showed me any compassion was Gary Reckart. While you all seem to hate Bishop Reckart, I know the man behind the screen, behind the keyboard. He has a father's heart, and is very compassionate. In my own immaturity, I spoke against him, but, he has shown a godly spirit which enabled me to see the errors of my backsliding, and repent openly.

I wish I had stayed with him all during that time. But, when men of God slammed me and my family in the darkest times of my personal life, when they decided to promote themselves by stepping on my almost completely broken back, only Bishop Reckart, in spite of all I said about him, picked me up, brushed off the dust, and prayed for me.

So, while every one of you revile Bishop, I will not. As I said, I disagree with some points of his doctrine, but hsi beliefs are more sound than most I have seen and studied. I maybe a lot of things, but I am not stupid nor gullible. I know who has it right.

Bill Price is assuming a new nick because his old one was restricted from being here per his own request. This has happened many times before and as it turns out his last time he requested his account be closed as he did not want to have any association with this board full of reprobates..

He returns under a new nick, a rule violation, and lies about who he really is.

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[Jason B]

Originally Posted by afp1996

You would have to actually put a position on the table instead of asking questions for the Apostolic Full Preterist to debate with you about it.

My answer to your first question is now posted, Brother.

Brother, I have a posistion easily recognized: Jesus Christ will visibly return to this earth again, as scripture bears out. And that Full Preterism cannot explain a great many of scriptures concering prophecy.

However, I do thank you for the debate, I think you are doing a pretty decent job of getting across Full Preterism. The problem is not you, you have gained my respect on this board. The problem is that you are upholding a posistion that is shooting blanks.

[afp1996]

Originally Posted by Jason

Brother, I have a posistion easily recognized: Jesus Christ will visibly return to this earth again, as scripture bears out. And that Full Preterism cannot explain a great many of scriptures concering prophecy.

However, I do thank you for the debate, I think you are doing a pretty decent job of getting across Full Preterism. The problem is not you, you have gained my respect on this board. The problem is that you are upholding a posistion that is shooting blanks.

You too have my respect. However, an easily recongnized position does not establish the right not to defend that position in a debate. The scriptures do not bare out what you prepose. I thank you in kind for the debate as well. The blanks that are being shot are in the gap in Matthew 24.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Crossfire

Since I have been outed, let me state why I am back with Bishop Gary Reckart.

A few months back, I suffered something that almost crippled me, both emotionally and almost physically. I was afterwards so badly injured by men that I left the faith, feeling I was persona non grata. The wounds I suffered were the deepest I ever endured, and the pain was almost to the point of killing me.

While other so-called men of God mocked me, belittled me, and even refered to me as a vomiting dog, the only man of God who showed me any compassion was Gary Reckart. While you all seem to hate Bishop Reckart, I know the man behind the screen, behind the keyboard. He has a father's heart, and is very compassionate. In my own immaturity, I spoke against him, but, he has shown a godly spirit which enabled me to see the errors of my backsliding, and repent openly.

I wish I had stayed with him all during that time. But, when men of God slammed me and my family in the darkest times of my personal life, when they decided to promote themselves by stepping on my almost completely broken back, only Bishop Reckart, in spite of all I said about him, picked me up, brushed off the dust, and prayed for me.

So, while every one of you revile Bishop, I will not. As I said, I disagree with some points of his doctrine, but hsi beliefs are more sound than most I have seen and studied. I maybe a lot of things, but I am not stupid nor gullible. I know who has it right.

I guess I got here too late Brother Burk.

Some things never change.

In Jesus name

Brother Benincasa

www.OnTimeJournal.com

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by Crossfire

I see some things now that I should have when I got on. I should not have come back to this forum. I knew eventually I would be ganged up on, and be confronted for my mistakes.

Admin, please delete this account. I should have known better than to try to come back. I knew that I would be pounced on. Will not make the same mistake twice.

No one minds a person's opinion about various topics. But to decry people for false doctrine, as you did in this thread, that you have personally bounced in and out of for years, crosses the line. People just laugh at such a declaration. You disproved your veracity for dependability in that area of theology. You did this to yourself. I told you this before. Do not convince yourself of any other reason for the words spoken to you. Stay away from saying what is right or wrong in prophecy, and speak anything you wish. I warned you again and again that anything you say about prophecy will be laughed at due to your eschatological-chameleon track record.

We must forgive those who 70X70 times in one day make the same mistake, but we cannot trust you for prophetic theology any more.

Had you joined in and discussed what you DO believe without bashing others, it would have been VERY different.

Love you, bro.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

And your interpetation is correct.

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

The poster cuts them off at the knees. Don't shake your head it will come off.
Very good.

Originally Posted by TK Burk

Eld. Epley, some of the people you so readily—and often desperately—align yourself with says a lot about the credibility of your position....

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

Guys I am not jumping into this fray.

Brother Burk, the most embarrassing thing is that in dear Elder Epley's zeal to find a hero to cling to, he latched on to an individual who is as unstable as nitroglycerin. Bill Price is so fouled up that one minute he is a defender of the faith and the next he is the attacker of the faith. I'm sorry, but to be that desperate to latch on to any Bozo who posts against what we believe is pitiful. Brother Burk, true or false, when you were reading the insanity of Crossfire to me over the phone, did I or did I not say it was Bill Price?

Now, If I can get that fibbers foolishness from you just reading a few lines to me over the phone, you would think our dear Brother Elder Epley, would of picked up the dishonesty and flagrant falseness of every word that was posted by William "can't tell the truth" Price?

Ladies and Gentlemen, Brothers and Sisters, boys and girls, and children of all ages, allow me to say this without drawing anyone's offence.

Bill Price always says he is sorry. Yet, sorry can become a sorry word when actions never follow. This is what we have with Bill Price.

Bill Price doesn't care when any of us tell him we welcome him back or that we love him, or so on and so on. Bill is having a blast while he taunts the Christians. Bill Price believes in nothing. He changes as he feels the need, and he loves to get attention. Instead of taking the long hard path of hard knocks to earn credibility, he takes the short cut of bad behavior. Since his bad behavior gains him what he wants most, he continues in it. One minute he is a Trinitarian, the next a Preterist, Ultra Con, Ultra Lib, Post Trib, or Pre Trib, it doesn't matter. He does it for the effect, the feel, and to watch men like Elder Epley amen him.

Elder Epley, I really suggest you think about what happened here in this thread. I mean, you would in league yourself to anyone or anything just because they disagree with what we believe? Is that how it is? You have not produced anything to make me believe what you teach on eschatology is correct. You have said time and time again when asked about the temple and salvation after the rapture that you don't know how those things will be accomplished.

Elder Epley the reason you don't know is because what you believe concerning eschatology is not in the Bible. That doesn't make you a bad man, or not my Brother, it just means you don't know. That is not a crime, or sin. Yet, when you agree and amen every slime ball who posts anything remotely close to a futurist slant, it makes you look bad. Elder Epley, I am not your enemy, I'm not your foe, I'm your Brother. We believe in more things than we disagree on. Stop taking sides against us with flagrant weirdos. The posting, “amen, good post!” gets a little old when a good read through of the post you just amended, doesn’t even agree with what you yourself believe.

With respect and love.

In Jesus name

Brother Benincasa

www.OnTimeJournal.com

[Jason B]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

When you agree and amen every slime ball who posts anything remotely close to a futurist

whatcha trying to say bro?

j/k

[shag]

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

I did NOT realize Jesus was flying in a PLANE when he was talking in Mt. 24? Good to know.
Again I do NOT believe THAT generation(Jewish race) have passed away. They are still very visible.

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

Yes I believe Titus and his thugs were used to judge Isreal I do not believe they are the return of Christ-the resurrection of the dead-the final judgment of the wicked.
I do not believe Titus was Jesus coming in
the clouds
Jesus coming with the angels
The Lord himself decending from Heaven with a shout
the final fulfillment of ALL Bible prophecy.

Brother Epley, (above) U said U do believe that God judged Israel thru Titus and his thugs, please give the scriptures you use to come to that conclusion.

[Steve Epley]

Brethren our friend's position of the week is known by everyone who has posted from FCF onward but do you think this is comely to do all this dumping on him. We all should recognize there is a real problem let's not do this plead with you.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

Brethren our friend's position of the week is known by everyone who has posted from FCF onward but do you think this is comely to do all this dumping on him. We all should recognize there is a real problem let's not do this plead with you.

Elder Epley, Bill Price needs to wake up and apologize. Bill Price needs to do it with snot bubbles and tears at an Apostolic altar. There can be no excuses made for such a trouble maker and dishonest man.

Elder Epley, the Lord bless you and keep you in good health.

With love and respect.

In Jesus name

Brother Benincasa

www.OnTimeJournal.com