I Have AIDS

Daniel, you must not be reading too well what has been shared.

Sure, one can say they condemn homosexuality. But it doesn't necessarily mean they are truly condemning it as would be seen by the Bible and Christians. If it was truly condemned, why just months ago would the poster state they were a gay minister? It sure doesn't sound like a condemnation of homosexuality, does it? Sounds very similar to what others have encountered online. Preach "love" and forget that the act is a sin. That's basically what that post was saying.

Some are completely missing the point, perhaps deliberately so they can go after others as if they are judging and condemning when they are not?

If this board allowed someone to portray themselves as having a ministry to gays, and that ministry actually promoted one on one homosexual relationships, what would you then think if some readers or members who were struggling with homosexual thoughts contacted this person privately and were being told that the Bible doesn't teach against it and that a one on one relationship was okay? And then they took that step into a gay relationship? And all the while you are shouting pharisees! And the gay ministry is leading people into a sinful lifestyle.

Wake up! Nowhere on this board did this man come clean about what he considered a homosexual lifestyle. He admitted elsewhere to being a gay minister. Daniel, that is not judging or condemning- that is showing the deceipt with which one posted.

If you want people to have free reign here to promote the liefstyle, while appearing to be against it, then something is very, very wrong. Stop pouncing on Coonskinner and Newman and stop and truly see just what happened here. No one stated anything about turning this individual away. No one said they wouldn't pray for him or have compassion. But you cannot help someone if they don't see what they are involved in is sinful. Until they can do that, all you can do is pray....and not allow their beliefs to influence unsuspecting others.

And the person was online when I shared the AIM post. Funny how they disappeared afterward. If they were on the up and up, they would have immediately posted to clear up any misconception. I know I would have if someone said I said I was a gay minister when I'd supposedly left that lifestyle.

Think about it, brother, and stop posting simply to stir things up. Think. read. His own words outed him.

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Burnedtoo or whoever you really are ....

Whether his veracity is in question or not .... this was not the crux of his original thread ... no validatons or calls for acceptance were made .... simply a request to help the least among us ... we can continue this Inquisition or state what we already know about what the Bible says about homosexuality .... My take is that the same book tells to go out into the highways and biways ..... I know for a fact that there is homophobia in some circles and has tempered those who will not even minister to them in a loving and responsible way....

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J-Roc... said it best ....

Well if we are suckered into showing compassion toward those that are disenfranchised by society and prompted to go help those souls....this is great gain. Even if some do not believe this poster, a prompt to reach out to those with AIDS is not unworthy of attention. If anyone has a hard time believing this thread, then see it as a parable....there are still things to learn from it, regardless of its veracity.

he also stated that gay ministers provide an obstacle to ministering to AIDs

Read closer, Daniel.

Originally Posted by chosenbyone

Through my ministry, I've worked side by side with many people including gay ministers. Many who meant well by devoting their time to AIDS suffers, but became an obstacle to their salvation. Without the power of the Holy Ghost and the authority of Jesus' name the devils won't leave those on their death beds. He almost has them for eternity.

The bolded area is a key. He appears to be stating that gay minsiters who do not have the Holy Spirit and authority of Jesus' name are an obstacle- not that they were gay.

Do you not know of all the gay Pentecostal and even Oneness Penetcostal (run by former UPC ministers) churches?

You obviously haven't dealt with deception in this area. If you would stop and take some time, you could learn something from the posters who are pointing out the deception and sharing things they experienced.

I am also concerned of the AOL statement about all the gay people in the churches that are ministering. Could this man have been deceptive with Pastor Kilgore while he was there and was he actually operating a pro-homosexual lifesyle while appearing to be against it? He said he's been a gay minister for awhile.

simply a request to help the least among us ... we can continue this Inquisition or state what we already know about what the Bible says about homosexuality ....

You miss the point, Daniel. You cannot help someone when they don't believe what they're involved in to be wrong. You cannot be delivered from sin when you won't recognize it to be sin. You simply tell everyone they should preach love......

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Originally Posted by burnedtoo

Read closer, Daniel.



The bolded area is a key. He appears to be stating that gay minsiters who do not have the Holy Spirit and authority of Jesus' name are an obstacle- not that they were gay.

Do you not know of all the gay Pentecostal and even Oneness Penetcostal (run by former UPC ministers) churches?

You obviously haven't dealt with deception in this area. If you would stop and take some time, you could learn something from the posters who are pointing out the deception and sharing things they experienced.

I am also concerned of the AOL statement about all the gay people in the churches that are ministering. Could this man have been deceptive with Pastor Kilgore while he was there and was he actually operating a pro-homosexual lifesyle while appearing to be against it? He said he's been a gay minister for awhile.

You are obviously well-informed and are the crusader of all truth ....

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Originally Posted by burnedtoo

You miss the point, Daniel. You cannot help someone when they don't believe what they're involved in to be wrong. You cannot be delivered from sin when you won't recognize it to be sin. You simply tell everyone they should preach love......

You miss the point ... he did not ASK FOR HELP FOR HIMSELF ... but for all those ... gay and non-gay suffering from AIDS .. whether some wanted to delve deeper and get out the dirty secrets is another story entirely

You are not taking the time to understand, Daniel. He said he ministers in this area. There could be readers/members here who are also suffering with AIDS or who may be gay. Should they then be going to counsel with one who is hiding they are yet gay, thus encouraging one in the lifestyle? Or should the people be warned that what is being written isn't all that is believed?

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Originally Posted by burnedtoo

You are not taking the time to understand, Daniel. He said he ministers in this area. There could be readers/members here who are also suffering with AIDS or who may be gay. Should they then be going to counsel with one who is hiding they are yet gay, thus encouraging one in the lifestyle? Or should the people be warned that what is being written isn't all that is believed?

Sad .. you still are trying to delve deeper in discrediting him ... all I see is speculation .....and perhaps a refusal to take his advice and go out minister to those dying of sure death.

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Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea

You miss the point ... he did not ASK FOR HELP FOR HIMSELF ... but for all those ... gay and non-gay suffering from AIDS .. whether some wanted to delve deeper and get out the dirty secrets is another story entirely

no, he wants validation