Unbound: The Conscience of a Republican Delegate

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by aegsm76

PO - help me understand this.
In every state that I have lived in and voted for POTUS in, the primary ballot has always showed the delegates under the name of the candidate that they represented. Thus, you were actually voting for the delegates to the convention, not the candidate.
But, they were representing the candidate on the ballot.
I am assuming that different states have different processes?

Because if I voted for a delegate under a candidate, then that delegate won, but the delegate did not vote for that candidate at the convention, I would be very unhappy with that delegate and feel as though the will of the had been thwarted and my vote stolen.

If the candidate becomes caustic to the party, the delegates should be able to vote their conscience. Many of the delegates stated that they didn't mind Trump's rhetoric at the beginning because he was hitting against political correctness. However, as time progressed, Trump began to spiral down as his mean-spirited, arrogant, rude, tasteless, classless campaign became a stench in the nostrils of sane Americans.

[n david]

His desire to change the platform on lgbt should be a nail in the coffin. As should his vetting of a pro-choice Democrat for VP.

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by n david

His desire to change the platform on lgbt should be a nail in the coffin. As should his vetting of a pro-choice Democrat for VP.

[aegsm76]

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

If the candidate becomes caustic to the party, the delegates should be able to vote their conscience. Many of the delegates stated that they didn't mind Trump's rhetoric at the beginning because he was hitting against political correctness. However, as time progressed, Trump began to spiral down as his mean-spirited, arrogant, rude, tasteless, classless campaign became a stench in the nostrils of sane Americans.

My feeling would be that the delegate should be prepared to face the wrath of the the people who voted for them to represent them.

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by aegsm76

My feeling would be that the delegate should be prepared to face the wrath of the the people who voted for them to represent them.

And the people would be wrong as the delegates are not Constitutionally bound.

[Pressing-On]

BREAKING: Anti-Trump delegate Beau Correll wins! The Court blocks VA delegate binding law https://t.co/lncirQH1VD

HUGE. State laws claiming to bind delegates unconstitutional. Convention delegates are free to govern themselves.

[aegsm76]

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

And the people would be wrong as the delegates are not Constitutionally bound.

PO - how would the people be wrong for being angry?
Then what kind of charade is the entire delegate system?

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by aegsm76

PO - how would the people be wrong for being angry?
Then what kind of charade is the entire delegate system?

A charade? This is how a republican form of government works. A check-and-balance is put on the political class by way of popular vote. However, there is a check-and-balance put in place for wayward elected representatives by way of the delegates. That is why we have juries and the Electoral College in place - to bridle the passions of mankind.

The people can be wrong in who they have elected. They can later find out information that they didn't know beforehand, and find they have been every bit as wrong as the person they elected.

This election cycle is the best example of that case. There are delegates who want to be unbound, because they can no longer believe that Trump is a Republican, a true statesman or whatever other reasons, besides these, that have been given.

You can go back and find that I did not oppose Trump in the beginning, but be became quite tasteless as the primaries progressed.

We are a republic, a representative form of government. We are not a democracy. Because our Founding Fathers didn't trust mankind and his nature that could fall, in public or private, they set up a system of check-and-balances in order that we could recover ourselves from our own destructive propensities.

In order to preserve that representative form of government, the delegates must remain unbound. They must be free to vote their conscience in EVERY election cycle.

I will state again, if the delegates can't agree on a nominee to go forward, Donald Trump will remain the nominee. All of this takes place with the ballots and voting at Convention. It's a great day to be an American!

[jfrog]

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

A charade? This is how a republican form of government works. A check-and-balance is put on the political class by way of popular vote. However, there is a check-and-balance put in place for wayward elected representatives by way of the delegates. That is why we have juries and the Electoral College in place - to bridle the passions of mankind.

The people can be wrong in who they have elected. They can later find out information that they didn't know beforehand, and find they have been every bit as wrong as the person they elected.

This election cycle is the best example of that case. There are delegates who want to be unbound, because they can no longer believe that Trump is a Republican, a true statesman or whatever other reasons, besides these, that have been given.

You can go back and find that I did not oppose Trump in the beginning, but be became quite tasteless as the primaries progressed.

We are a republic, a representative form of government. We are not a democracy. Because our Founding Fathers didn't trust mankind and his nature that could fall, in public or private, they set up a system of check-and-balances in order that we could recover ourselves from our own destructive propensities.

In order to preserve that representative form of government, the delegates must remain unbound. They must be free to vote their conscience in EVERY election cycle.

I will state again, if the delegates can't agree on a nominee to go forward, Donald Trump will remain the nominee. All of this takes place with the ballots and voting at Convention. It's a great day to be an American!

If you elected a representative that then voted for trump that would be one thing. However, no representative was running in any of the primaries. It was the candidate himself. That candidate then was allotted delegates based his number of votes. That's quite a bit different.

[Esaias]

Yes, the people sent to convention to represent the folks back home should be unbound from voting for whoever the folks back home thought they were voting for.

Vote harder!