Why I Am A Futurist - Page 22

Evang.Benincasa · #**211** 02-05-2015, 01:50 PM

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Fair enough. But the coming in Matthew 24 is only in destruction not resurrection. And no verses refer to the resurrection in that others either. But as far as whether coming is literal or not, I'm getting my views based upon what the bible says about the term in the passages i cited. I can't see a physical return in Matthew 10, 16 or 23. It's not that i choose to believe one tHing is physical and the other isn't. It's just that he physically never came with some of them having not yet tasted death, but yet he said he'd come then. Same with Matthew 21:40. He said he'd come and take the kingdom away from the Pharisees and give it to another nation. That wasn't a physical coming either. But yet he called it his coming. So i accept it and it's ramifications.

good samaritan · #**212** 02-05-2015, 02:26 PM

So in essence we are all futurists in that we all await a future coming of Jesus Christ to bring His kingdom into greater relationship to Himself and to judge the wicked of the world. This has been a great discussion.

mfblume · #**213** 02-05-2015, 04:44 PM

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So in essence we are all futurists in that we all await a future coming of Jesus Christ to bring His kingdom into greater relationship to Himself and to judge the wicked of the world. This has been a great discussion.

Yes, ìn essence. Thanks for your thoughts.

Evang.Benincasa · #**214** 02-05-2015, 04:58 PM

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2 Peter 3:8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day

What I mean is that every number in scripture has a literal interpretation. The purpose is being ready not understanding all the details of all prophecies.

Sakrete???

But Peter was quoting the Psalm which speaks of man's brevity, and how fast God moves. Peter wasn't telling his reader that God cannot communicate with men due to men being unable to understand what time dimension God is living.

In Revelation we are told that the angel came to John to signify to his servants what must soon take place, because the time was near. There is actually no other way to take those words. Yet you are saying that they are not only one thousand years (God's Thousand Day Clock), but two thousand? I mean, the clock is ticking away, and John was told two thousand years ago for the reason that things must soon take place, because the time was close.

So, could you show me how everyone was to know that the soon warning of Revelation wasn't going to happen shortly, quickly, or that the time was actually near?

Sorry to come into this late, but I missed that you answered my post.

good samaritan · #**215** 02-05-2015, 07:32 PM

I did try to answer by what I meant but I will try to get my thoughts together and answer here shortly. Could give me an overview of where you stand on the subject?

mfblume · #**216** 02-05-2015, 08:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

But Peter was quoting the Psalm which speaks of man's brevity, and how fast God moves. Peter wasn't telling his reader that God cannot communicate with men due to men being unable to understand what time dimension God is living.

In Revelation we are told that the angel came to John to signify to his servants what must soon take place, because the time was near. There is actually no other way to take those words. Yet you are saying that they are not only one thousand years (God's Thousand Day Clock), but two thousand? I mean, the clock is ticking away, and John was told two thousand years ago for the reason that things must soon take place, because the time was close.

So, could you show me how everyone was to know that the soon warning of Revelation wasn't going to happen shortly, quickly, or that the time was actually near?

Sorry to come into this late, but I missed that you answered my post.

Evang.Benincasa · #**217** 02-05-2015, 08:09 PM

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I did try to answer by what I meant but I will try to get my thoughts together and answer here shortly. Could give me an overview of where you stand on the subject?

Thank you so much, and thank you for your kindness in your reply.

Revelation 1:1 indicates that the author is telling the readers that the revelation is being brought to John by a messenger due to the events would soon take place. In Revelation 1:3 the reader is then told that they will be blessed who obeys its contents because the "time" was "near". In Genesis 27:41 the same language is employed by the writer to tell the reader that Esau was waiting to kill Jacob, but the days of mourning for his father were at hand, after those days would pass then he would kill his brother Jacob. Again, we have the term "at hand" indicating closeness of an event.

If God's Thousand Day Clock is the issue here, then how does it work with the above verses? No day is mentioned, but the reader is told the events will take place shortly and that time was at hand? We sit at 2,000 years later from this documents writings. But anyway, I await your explanation. Thank you again.

Michael The Disciple · #**218** 02-05-2015, 08:57 PM

So be honest Dom,

If you DO believe the resurrection came in 70ad tell us. If you deny Jesus came for the Church in 70 ad tell us that.

good samaritan · #**219** 02-05-2015, 09:04 PM

My thought is that numbers are just like creatures in the book of Revelation. I am not sure of what they literally are. I have not come to any conclusions on this subject, but for the fact of a future resurrection and judgement. I see A.D. 70 fulfillment in part, but then there are some things that I just don't see A.D. 70 meeting the criteria. Sure I could listen to people's explanation of this and that, but so far I don't feel content with anyone's observations on certain things.

mfblume · #**220** 02-05-2015, 09:07 PM

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My thought is that numbers are just like creatures in the book of Revelation.

Exactly.

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I am not sure of what they literally are. I have not come to any conclusions on this subject, but for the fact of a future resurrection and judgement. I see A.D. 70 fulfillment in part, but then there are some things that I just don't see A.D. 70 meeting the criteria. Sure I could listen to people's explanation of this and that, but so far I don't feel content with anyone's observations on certain things.

Seek God for yourself about it and read. Be as objective as you can and cast aside any preconceived ideas, and really ask yourself what God is saying as though you were someone who never heard an interpretation before. It seems THAT IS A RARE GIFT to be able to do that nowadays.

But the key is to look to the rest of the bible for the pictures in Revelation.