Whaaaaaaatt???? What's happening in Canada??

[Ron]

Originally Posted by TrueNorth

A first grade teacher explains to her class that she is a Toronto Maple Leafs fan. She asks her students to raise their hands if they are Leaf fans too. Not really knowing what an Leaf fan is, but wanting to be liked by their teacher, their hands fly into the air.

There is, however, one exception. A little girl has not gone along with the crowd. The teacher asks her why she has decided to be different.

"Because I'm not an Leafs fan," she retorts.

"Then," asks her teacher, "what are you?"

"I'm a proud Vancouver Canucks Fan," boasts the little girl.

The teacher is a little perturbed now, her face slightly red. She asks the little girl why she is a Canuck fan.

"Well, my Dad and Mom are Canuck fans, so I'm a Canuck fan too," she responds.

The teacher is now angry. "That's no reason," she says loudly. "What if your Mom was a moron and your Dad was an idiot. What would you be then?"

"Oh," says the little girl. "Well, then I'd be an Leaf fan."

Every once in a while there is a nugget of truth that comes forth that can not be denied!!

I have to go to Montreal soon... those folks better learn to speak English before I get there.

[Maple Leaf]

Originally Posted by Sheltiedad

I have to go to Montreal soon... those folks better learn to speak English before I get there.

You won't have any problem in Montreal. I have a family member that has spent a lot of time there on business, and he barely speaks English, let alone French, and he's gotten by okay.

As a matter of fact, we had a long time Prime Minister from Quebec, who made himself a millionaire doing business there, and he couldn't speak French or English either.

[Felicity]

Originally Posted by Maple Leaf

You won't have any problem in Montreal. I have a family member that has spent a lot of time there on business, and he barely speaks English, let alone French, and he's gotten by okay.

As a matter of fact, we had a long time Prime Minister from Quebec, who made himself a millionaire doing business there, and he couldn't speak French or English either.

[Maple Leaf]

I borrowed this post from another thread to ask if this is being preached or practiced in the Atlantic District.

There are very few things on these forums that I pay much more than casual attention to, but this startled me.

Originally Posted by ForeverBlessed

I disagree… there are women who do believe that the hair has literal power. Almost mystical, magical or whatever… it is heresy…. I feel so strongly against it, I believe it to be idolatry. Some just cannot except that by Faith we are healed… through Jesus… he doesn't want or need our hair to heal. It is giving glory to our flesh/works and not him.

This doctrine has a big grip on many women of the church I attend and even the district I live in. My church is a fairly progressive church, but of those women who are the staunch supporters of "uncut" hair truly believe that power is in that uncut hair. They don't condemn those with cut hair or put them in hell…but will make comments as to what they are missing.

In a recent prayer meeting, one of the pastor's wives took down her uncut hair and wrapped it around her grandson born with disabilities and prayed for his healing. I was sick to my stomach… I've also seen women stroking their hair and overheard their prayers while in our altars about needs in their lives…one women hasn't been able to conceive and has desperately prayed with her hair.

I've heard and seen enough that I responded to an email from a women in our church on this subject. I never once mentioned anything against "uncut" hair. I would never disrespect my pastor, but I totally came against the doctrine of "power in hair" scripturally. I stirred up a hornets nest that I didn't think I was going to recover from.. however, I also know that some people responded in email and thanked me… and even had ministerial staff who got into the email exchange thank me in person and told me to keep studying… God was going to use me.

In the last six months, I have seen women take down the hair to dance because worshipping with the hair looses bonds?? This has happened in my church and others. I was asked to do it and when I refused, I was told I was missing deliverance in my life.

At a convention service this year, my daughter (and all women at the service) was asked from the pulpit to take down her hair and dance. She was in the altar area worshipping when this was asked… she was obedient to the minister in the pulpit…took down her hair… then she looked around .. began to cry and ran to the back of the church and stood with me. I told her it was her choice to go along with them or not.... but why was she crying? She said "I looked around and felt for the women who are black in the altars who don't have long hair… I felt for the women who are new and their hair isn't long…she said she just couldn't do it. The preacher was glorifying long hair and the power that women had over the devil through their uncut hair. Supposedly some witch told him of the supernatural powers our women have in their hair and the devil is afraid of it… tell your women never to cut their hair.

absurd... totally absurd.

[Thumper]

Originally Posted by Maple Leaf

I borrowed this post from another thread to ask if this is being preached or practiced in the Atlantic District.

There are very few things on these forums that I pay much more than casual attention to, but this startled me.

While I'm not connected with the UPC any more. I had never seen it out here in BC.

[Destiny2]

Surely not in Canada! Let this doctrine stay Stateside!

[Felicity]

Originally Posted by Destiny2

Surely not in Canada! Let this doctrine stay Stateside!

There are those even in AD who believe in some form of this teaching (or at least they did).

The first time I heard it was at a Ladies Retreat. I was sitting at the table with the L.A. District leader and other members of the committee and when we heard what was being presented we all just kind of gasped inwardly. I was so upset at how this might affect the women attending, particularly those who cut their hair and newcomers.

[Thumper]

Back to the subject of this thread, an independent Canadian UPC. I just hung up the phone with someone I was sure would be able to give me the inside scoop for sure.

NOT

So no info yet but I'll keep digging.

[Maple Leaf]

Originally Posted by Thumper

Back to the subject of this thread, an independent Canadian UPC. I just hung up the phone with someone I was sure would be able to give me the inside scoop for sure.

NOT

So no info yet but I'll keep digging.

Any licensed UPC minister in Canada should be able to give you the scoop.

Somebody needs to get under conviction and help Thumper.

Maybe Thad will be proven right after all.

An independent Canadian UPC;

Is it coming soon?

Or not?

From the west,

or will he slip it in from the east.

Maybe Thad will be proven right after all.

Somebody needs to get under conviction and help Thumper.

Could I mean the astute will seek out the scoop in one of St. Paul's epistles?