Apology

[SDG]

Originally Posted by philjones

Have you considered that they might be the Pharisees and Demas and unjustly spewing venom?

Have you considered that even if half of some the things 'spewed' are true we are dealing w/ a problem OF ACCOUNTABILITY in our ranks.

[SDG]

Originally Posted by RevDWW

Your assertion that PJ defends men who commit such actions was STUPID!

not taking action may be viewed as "defending" but it sure is condoning

[nathan_slatter]

Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea

Have you considered that even if half of some the things 'spewed' are true we are dealing w/ a problem OF ACCOUNTABILITY in our ranks.

*grin* They aren't my ranks -- I left a long time ago...

Originally Posted by Coonskinner

Stealing, raping, molesting, and destroying have been redefined.

They tend to mean "preach standards" in spiritual abuse jargon.

Get real, brother.

Most of these people have gone through real hurt and real abuse and you come off with a statement to trivialize it and say they're whiners who hate 'standards preaching'?

That, my friend, is what is stupid (Go ahead, Prax, gimme another infraction - make sure you give DWW one too)... and not Alicea's statement that DWW called stupid. Comments like yours prove Alicea's statement right.

[SDG]

calls for transparency ... is now called "whining"
telling truths ... is now called "spewing venom"
being spiritually abused ... is now called "standard-hating"

Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea

Have you considered that even if half of some the things 'spewed' are true we are dealing w/ a problem OF ACCOUNTABILITY in our ranks.

That is news to me... Accountability sure seemed to work to a T when it cost me my ministry over an indiscretion in my youth. I guess it is a problem that developed in my 18 years away from "our ranks".

I guess my question has to be "What is accomplished by the site in terms of accountability?"

[SDG]

Originally Posted by philjones

That is news to me... Accountability sure seemed to work to a T when it cost me my ministry over an indiscretion in my youth. I guess it is a problem that developed in my 18 years away from "our ranks".

I guess my question has to be "What is accomplished by the site in terms of accountability?"

What is accomplished ????.... The truth shall set you free ....

why is it we espouse having truth ... yet when it's told ... as stark as it may be ... we seek to "cover it up"????

Accountability is biblical ... nuff said.

Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea

What is accomplished ????.... The truth shall set you free ....

why is it we espouse having truth ... yet when it's told ... as stark as it may be ... we seek to "cover it up"????

Accountability is biblical ... nuff said.

I guess what you see as accountability and revelation of truth I see as something altogether different. That is OK.. we just don't agree on this issue and likely won't. Again, that is OK.

[SDG]

Originally Posted by philjones

I guess what you see as accountability and revelation of truth I see as something altogether different. That is OK.. we just don't agree on this issue and likely won't. Again, that is OK.

No ... to use Ronzo's analogy ...

I see truth as a multi-faceted diamond ....

revelation is just a light shining on one of the facets .....

some are stuck on viewing truth from one side of the room

[Nahum]

Originally Posted by Old Paths

OK Here's my apology.

Read it again real slow....

PP, You don't appove of MY apology so...

How about YOU write one, PM it to me and maybe I will get some imput from Admin and some friends and we will see IF we might be able to hammer out somthing that will satisfy YOU.

OK?

Great idea! At least then there would be no loopholes.