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04-12-2011, 10:48 PM
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Re: Mark Johnston Drops from UPCI, Garner Next???
I thought I would bump this thread since it is an interesting one. Anybody have any updaes on any other up and coming young ministers leaving the UPC either to the right with the WPF / GIB or to the left (Lib)?
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"I think some people love spiritual bondage just the way some people love physical bondage. It makes them feel secure. In the end though it is not healthy for the one who is lost over it or the one who is lives under the oppression even if by their own choice"
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"We did not wear uniforms. The lady workers dressed in the current fashions of the day, ...silks...satins...jewels or whatever they happened to possess. They were very smartly turned out, so that they made an impressive appearance on the streets where a large part of our work was conducted in the early years.
"It was not until long after, when former Holiness preachers had become part of us, that strict plainness of dress began to be taught.
"Although Entire Sanctification was preached at the beginning of the Movement, it was from a Wesleyan viewpoint, and had in it very little of the later Holiness Movement characteristics. Nothing was ever said about apparel, for everyone was so taken up with the Lord that mode of dress seemingly never occurred to any of us."
Quote from Ethel Goss (widow of 1st UPC Gen Supt. Howard Goss) book "The Winds of God"
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04-12-2011, 11:10 PM
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Re: Mark Johnston Drops from UPCI, Garner Next???
Here is a link to Mark Johnstons blog from January 26, 2011 titled "When slower isn't better". It is a very interesting insight into his changes from by the book UPC preacher to where he is today.
His take on change, that it is better done faster than slower, flys in the face of all of the advice I have heard and given. However he does make some good points that support his position (at least to a degree). Here is the link;
http://yourjourney.typepad.com/mark_.../01/index.html
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"I think some people love spiritual bondage just the way some people love physical bondage. It makes them feel secure. In the end though it is not healthy for the one who is lost over it or the one who is lives under the oppression even if by their own choice"
Titus2woman on AFF
"We did not wear uniforms. The lady workers dressed in the current fashions of the day, ...silks...satins...jewels or whatever they happened to possess. They were very smartly turned out, so that they made an impressive appearance on the streets where a large part of our work was conducted in the early years.
"It was not until long after, when former Holiness preachers had become part of us, that strict plainness of dress began to be taught.
"Although Entire Sanctification was preached at the beginning of the Movement, it was from a Wesleyan viewpoint, and had in it very little of the later Holiness Movement characteristics. Nothing was ever said about apparel, for everyone was so taken up with the Lord that mode of dress seemingly never occurred to any of us."
Quote from Ethel Goss (widow of 1st UPC Gen Supt. Howard Goss) book "The Winds of God"
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04-13-2011, 08:54 AM
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Re: Mark Johnston Drops from UPCI, Garner Next???
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Originally Posted by CC1
Here is a link to Mark Johnstons blog from January 26, 2011 titled "When slower isn't better". It is a very interesting insight into his changes from by the book UPC preacher to where he is today.
His take on change, that it is better done faster than slower, flys in the face of all of the advice I have heard and given. However he does make some good points that support his position (at least to a degree). Here is the link;
http://yourjourney.typepad.com/mark_.../01/index.html |
CC! - I agree and wish he had left earlier instead of later!
In the past, I have been in meetings with other young pastors that included MJ and others who have left the organization.
Truly, MJ is truly a gifted preacher and pastor - we all know that. In earlier days, I would speak with him and try to defend him to other people and even had him preach for us. Unfortunately, over the past several years, many of us in the organization began to see changes that we did not want to be a part of. As a result, his circle of friendship dwindled because of the spirit and attitude he displayed during this transition.
He needed to leave the organization for a number of reasons - these two not being the least.
1. He does not believe Acts 2:38 is essential ... a core UPCI doctrine.
2. He became very cynical and critical and I feel out of bitterness would often say things publically and privately that were cutting and disrespectful. I experienced this personally and decided along with others not to be connected with him.
Just my view point for what it is worth.
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06-24-2011, 12:11 AM
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Re: Mark Johnston Drops from UPCI, Garner Next???
Hi I'm new to apostolic friends forum. I'm young person who currently attends a UPCI church although I don't agree with a lot of things this organization does or says.
I was wondering did Wayne Francis leave the UPCI because I think he did?
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06-24-2011, 11:49 AM
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Re: Mark Johnston Drops from UPCI, Garner Next???
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Originally Posted by amhill261
Hi I'm new to apostolic friends forum. I'm young person who currently attends a UPCI church although I don't agree with a lot of things this organization does or says.
I was wondering did Wayne Francis leave the UPCI because I think he did?
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I didn't see him listed on the UPCI website:
http://www.upci.com/churchlocator/searchBy_Pastor.aspx
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06-27-2011, 10:49 PM
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Re: Mark Johnston Drops from UPCI, Garner Next???
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Originally Posted by amhill261
Hi I'm new to apostolic friends forum. I'm young person who currently attends a UPCI church although I don't agree with a lot of things this organization does or says.
I was wondering did Wayne Francis leave the UPCI because I think he did?
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Here is a link to Wayne Francis personal blog. In the "About" section he talks about starting a new church "Authentic Church" in a New York suburb (White Plains if I remember correctly.).
http://fakeisover.com/about/
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"I think some people love spiritual bondage just the way some people love physical bondage. It makes them feel secure. In the end though it is not healthy for the one who is lost over it or the one who is lives under the oppression even if by their own choice"
Titus2woman on AFF
"We did not wear uniforms. The lady workers dressed in the current fashions of the day, ...silks...satins...jewels or whatever they happened to possess. They were very smartly turned out, so that they made an impressive appearance on the streets where a large part of our work was conducted in the early years.
"It was not until long after, when former Holiness preachers had become part of us, that strict plainness of dress began to be taught.
"Although Entire Sanctification was preached at the beginning of the Movement, it was from a Wesleyan viewpoint, and had in it very little of the later Holiness Movement characteristics. Nothing was ever said about apparel, for everyone was so taken up with the Lord that mode of dress seemingly never occurred to any of us."
Quote from Ethel Goss (widow of 1st UPC Gen Supt. Howard Goss) book "The Winds of God"
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07-08-2011, 11:11 PM
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Re: Mark Johnston Drops from UPCI, Garner Next???
I can't believe MJ left the fellowship. I was there at GC 2007 when he preached the home missions service. I still brag about that sermon. The UPC lost a great man
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07-09-2011, 11:35 AM
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Re: Mark Johnston Drops from UPCI, Garner Next???
Job 32:9 Great men are not always wise ...
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07-09-2011, 04:36 PM
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Re: Mark Johnston Drops from UPCI, Garner Next???
Garner Who?
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07-09-2011, 10:00 PM
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Re: Mark Johnston Drops from UPCI, Garner Next???
DeaconBlues. Do you happen to have a copy of that message as I myself would love to hear it.
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