You Be The Judge: Afp1996 vs Jason - Page 22

Crossfire · #**211** 05-13-2009, 09:59 AM

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Originally Posted by TK Burk

But such an approach is not what is done in a debate. Yet it is the approach that Futurist mostly take. The sad reality is that they cannot explain the very question they ask the AFPs.

Carry on afp1996!

From what I have read, Jason has answered afp's questions. The opposite however is not true.

Good job, Jason.

afp1996 · #**212** 05-13-2009, 11:33 AM

no, sir. we had a question time in the debate. he should have presented his position. he did not.

Praxeas · #**213** 05-13-2009, 12:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Crossfire

Since I have been outed, let me state why I am back with Bishop Gary Reckart.

A few months back, I suffered something that almost crippled me, both emotionally and almost physically. I was afterwards so badly injured by men that I left the faith, feeling I was persona non grata. The wounds I suffered were the deepest I ever endured, and the pain was almost to the point of killing me.

While other so-called men of God mocked me, belittled me, and even refered to me as a vomiting dog, the only man of God who showed me any compassion was Gary Reckart. While you all seem to hate Bishop Reckart, I know the man behind the screen, behind the keyboard. He has a father's heart, and is very compassionate. In my own immaturity, I spoke against him, but, he has shown a godly spirit which enabled me to see the errors of my backsliding, and repent openly.

I wish I had stayed with him all during that time. But, when men of God slammed me and my family in the darkest times of my personal life, when they decided to promote themselves by stepping on my almost completely broken back, only Bishop Reckart, in spite of all I said about him, picked me up, brushed off the dust, and prayed for me.

So, while every one of you revile Bishop, I will not. As I said, I disagree with some points of his doctrine, but hsi beliefs are more sound than most I have seen and studied. I maybe a lot of things, but I am not stupid nor gullible. I know who has it right.

I witnessed others even on this board try to extend a hand to you but you rejected it. Further Bill you didn't just leave the faith once, you went from being a hate filled UC to a hate filled liberal Apostolic to a Trinitarian, back to a UC, back to a Trinitarian and back to a UC again. You need to stop blaming others and look at your self to see why you do what you do.

Praxeas · #**214** 05-13-2009, 01:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Crossfire

For you to compare Bishop Reckart with that Islamic hater of God is truly a reproach, Prax. That is a showing of an ungodly attitude.

I didn't compare him Mr Judgemental. I simply pointed out by example that not compromising on your beliefs does NOT make one a man of God. It's more than that. BTW It's so sad to see the old bill back. I would have preferred you became Oneness with out that attitude. You never changed Bill, other than doctrinal affiliations, in all these years. You waffled from affiliation and peer groups back and forth, but the attitude...Bill it's the attitude that you have that is your problem. Your judgmental, smug spiritual superiority that is your downfall.

You had it as a hate filled UC. You had it when you went liberal. You had it when you returned to the Trinity. You had it when you went back to Oneness. You had it when you again went back to Trinity and you had it again when you returned to being an Ultra Con.

Praxeas · #**215** 05-13-2009, 01:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Crossfire

Love is a powerful word. I have seen some great love on this forum towards me, and some great attacks from some. I think a forum is just that, a forum, and nothing else.

But according to you the only one was Reckart...now you are admitting there were some on this forum Bill. Please stop. Bill you are your own worst enemy

TK Burk · #**216** 05-13-2009, 02:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Praxeas

I witnessed others even on this board try to extend a hand to you but you rejected it. Further Bill you didn't just leave the faith once, you went from being a hate filled UC to a hate filled liberal Apostolic to a Trinitarian, back to a UC, back to a Trinitarian and back to a UC again. You need to stop blaming others and look at your self to see why you do what you do.

Very good words of advice! BP, you'd be wise to listen to Prax. He is trying to help you. This is the same thing we have talked about before.

TK Burk · #**217** 05-13-2009, 02:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Crossfire

From what I have read, Jason has answered afp's questions. The opposite however is not true.

Good job, Jason.

BP, you have articles that you wrote FOR AFP on websites that also has articles from you that are AGAINST AFP. If you were right now in your FP mode, you'd be saying the opposite. BP, a vote either way from you really means little considering your ever changing positions....

mfblume · #**218** 05-13-2009, 03:28 PM

Bill, you know I always was kind with you, even if firm. But listen to your own words. Your big reason for associating with Bro Reckart is:

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A few months back, I suffered something that almost crippled me, both emotionally and almost physically. I was afterwards so badly injured by men that I left the faith, feeling I was persona non grata. The wounds I suffered were the deepest I ever endured, and the pain was almost to the point of killing me.

While other so-called men of God mocked me, belittled me, and even referred to me as a vomiting dog, the only man of God who showed me any compassion was Gary Reckart. While you all seem to hate Bishop Reckart, I know the man behind the screen, behind the keyboard. He has a father's heart, and is very compassionate. In my own immaturity, I spoke against him, but, he has shown a godly spirit which enabled me to see the errors of my backsliding, and repent openly.

It was not a doctrinal issue that drew you to him, but his alleged acceptableness for you when others treated you harshly. And from my observation over the years, you accept whatever doctrine someone whom you are drawn to preaches. No matter what doctrine it is, you repeat it word for word when you accept the person. The person is, therefore, not accepted as a mentor due to truth, but due to something kind about the way they treated you. And that is not the right reason to be drawn to someone.

When you last leaned toward partial preterism, and then accepted it before you went to full preterism after that, I purposely did not throw all kinds of laurels to you for agreeing with me, since I did not want you to agree with me just because I was showing you special treatment. I wanted you to believe that you believe for belief's sake, and nothing else. I remained kind, but did not take advantage of you, for I knew that anyone who gives you any amount of attention becomes someone to whom you are drawn and begin to emulate. I would not do that to you, for I am concerned for your soul and whether it stands for truth for truth's sake or for other reasons.

Once again, you know the wrong spirit GR has. You deserve better.

Crossfire · #**219** 05-13-2009, 07:23 PM

I see some things now that I should have when I got on. I should not have come back to this forum. I knew eventually I would be ganged up on, and be confronted for my mistakes.

Admin, please delete this account. I should have known better than to try to come back. I knew that I would be pounced on. Will not make the same mistake twice.

Scott Hutchinson · #**220** 05-13-2009, 07:47 PM

I'm not pouncing on you as I have made mistakes myself,I will offer you mercy and point you to the grace of God for healing.