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[dizzyde]

Originally Posted by James Griffin

I repeat even the Bernard whose holiness books kept the PPH afloat for a number of years had to write a letter on the same topic.

Someone visited once saw people with earrings etc and passed judgment.

In Thad's case it is even second hand judgment.

OK, you are right about everything.

Except, one of my daughters close friends attends KPs church, goes on the missions trips and recent pictures she has sent have her and her mother and sister in NECKLACES, EARRINGS, PANTS. She is not a visitor, long time church member, key family.

Again, I could care less about what they are or are not wearing, and am not passing judgement on any of the people involved, but you are denying something strongly, and accusing someone of SLANDERING people, and I gave you the opportunity to modify your statement. You chose not to. The fact that you are so strongly insisting on your stance makes me curious.

I fully understand the concept of not making snap judgements, I am not a moron.

[retsambeW]

Originally Posted by James Griffin

Hey Boomie,

Its even easier than UPCI, since there are no dues.

Step 1, ask to be removed from mailing list.

Now, now. Everyone knows the quickest way out of the UPC is to miss a dues payment. The NCO will never be THAT fast.

[James Griffin]

Originally Posted by Thad

my apologies to my friend James. I didn't mean to denegrate the leaders of NCO in any way.

Thad I know you didn't, and I am sorry if I overreacted.

I know that you know the leadership is moderate, and so are their churches.


Walking into these men's churches one would not know the difference between them and most moderates within the UPCI, from sermon to saints.


Peace.

[Thad]

Originally Posted by James Griffin

Thad I know you didn't, and I am sorry if I overreacted.

I know that you know the leadership is moderate, and so are their churches.


Walking into these men's churches one would not know the difference between them and most moderates within the UPCI, from sermon to saints.


Peace.

Fweeeeww well i got James off my back Thank the Lord for that
James, I agree the Leadership is moderate by UPC standards, but were we'll have to part opinions is on the laity at least by my definition of the UPC. I hope that doesn't upset you

[James Griffin]

Originally Posted by retsambeW

Now, now. Everyone knows the quickest way out of the UPC is to miss a dues payment. The NCO will never be THAT fast.

Like I said, NCO has no dues.


Everyone insists on maintaining a concept that is an alternative organization. It is merely a fellowship designed to help ministry period.

There is no "NCO" dogma, nor agenda beyond that.

But among the leadership, as individuals, there has been NO departure from any doctrine they held prior to leaving UPCI. (At least those in this decade,LOL)

[James Griffin]

Originally Posted by Thad

Fweeeeww well i got James off my back Thank the Lord for that
James, I agree the Leadership is moderate by UPC standards, but were we'll have to part opinions is on the laity at least by my definition of the UPC. I hope that doesn't upset you

Thad, by California standards Bernard is a bleeding heart liberal.



No prob....

[James Griffin]

Originally Posted by dizzyde

OK, you are right about everything.

Except, one of my daughters close friends attends KPs church, goes on the missions trips and recent pictures she has sent have her and her mother and sister in NECKLACES, EARRINGS, PANTS. She is not a visitor, long time church member, key family.

Again, I could care less about what they are or are not wearing, and am not passing judgement on any of the people involved, but you are denying something strongly, and accusing someone of SLANDERING people, and I gave you the opportunity to modify your statement. You chose not to. The fact that you are so strongly insisting on your stance makes me curious.

I fully understand the concept of not making snap judgements, I am not a moron.

DD,

Don't know the woman, or the circumstances.

I have been to several PromiseLand services.

Was born into a UPCI family, fourth generation, and visited many churches.

My entire family is still UPCI, and attends MW's church in Apopka.

So I am familiar with many holiness churches within and without UPCI.

PL and CoC would qualify as moderate within those circles.

[dizzyde]

Originally Posted by James Griffin

DD,

Don't know the woman, or the circumstances.

I have been to several PromiseLand services.

Was born into a UPCI family, fourth generation, and visited many churches.

My entire family is still UPCI, and attends MW's church in Apopka.

So I am familiar with many holiness churches within and without UPCI.

PL and CoC would qualify as moderate within those circles.

OK, as I stated at the beginning, not looking for a fight.

Just seriously confused by you. Am I supposed to list my pedigree now? I assure you, I have an extensive UPCI pedigree also, with family members having pastored in numerous states. And also have extensive experience with "holiness" churches outside of the UPCI.

You have your opinion on the subject, and apparently it is the only one that counts. I merely was trying to throw a little light on others perspective. You and Thad have made up apparently, but the fact that you accused him of slander based on your opinions is still troubling to me.

[James Griffin]

Originally Posted by dizzyde

OK, as I stated at the beginning, not looking for a fight.

Just seriously confused by you. Am I supposed to list my pedigree now? I assure you, I have an extensive UPCI pedigree also, with family members having pastored in numerous states. And also have extensive experience with "holiness" churches outside of the UPCI.

You have your opinion on the subject, and apparently it is the only one that counts. I merely was trying to throw a little light on others perspective. You and Thad have made up apparently, but the fact that you accused him of slander based on your opinions is still troubling to me.

DD,

I have no intention of questioning either your pedigree or your right to a personal opinion as to the definition of "moderate", liberal, con, or ultra-con.

And you are correct, unfortunately everything said between Thad and I was not listed on the forum. My bad. But not going to re-open at this point.

The conversation was started about the leadership. Thad said things specifically to evoke a response. He did. He knows the leadership is moderate. I cannot claim to know every single saint at PL and how they dress outside church. For that matter, with several hundred members, it is impossible to even know everyone here.

However, I know the platform standards at CoC, are moderate as far as UPCI standards. No earrings, no pants (on women), no makeup, no jewelery, hair put up etc etc.

So yes I stand by the "moderate" statement. And yes you are certainly entitled to your observation that this just might not be holy enough for some farther west.

[LordChocolate]

Originally Posted by Dora

I still cannot believe that Jonathon Shoemake is an ultracon. Just surprises me greatly. After all the mercy and grace the Lord has extended to him, seems he would want to reciprocate to his flock. But the pendulum looks to have swung waaaayyyyyy over to the right in his case.

Nathan Morton is just following his daddy...no surprise there...just wish he would break away...he's a really good guy. He has a heart of gold...hope he still has that great sense of humor.

Myles Young...great guy...fabulous singer...things that make ya go hmmmmmm. I am convinced that he would not be involved in this thing if his FIL were not NW.

TLC is desperately trying to revive JCM...bless his heart. QUICK! HOOK UP THE RESPIRATOR (even though the corpse has gone cold)!!! GET THE DEFIB PADDLES FIRED UP! CLEAR! ZZZZZZZZTTTT!!! IS THERE A PULSE, DOC??? CLEAR! ZZZZZTTTT!!! DO WE HAVE A PULSE??? MY GOD! BREATH! PLEASE BREATH!!! CLEAR! ZZZZZTTTT!

SO, is Larry Booker or Nate Wilson going to be their GS??? Let the politics continue! Whoo Hoo! Powergrab???

Wayne McClain is married to my 3rd cousin...we're RELATED! After I graduated from Life Christian Academy, he decided not to allow his young people to associate with Life Tab youth. But guess what!?!?!

If shoemake is a conservative, I am Hilary Clinton.