Dora the Exployer @ Youth Congress

[deacon blues]

Originally Posted by Coonskinner

I don't think having her on stage was a political move either.

I think it was just symptomatic of the fascination some have with anything Hollywood, and of the desire to stroke the egos of the self-loathing with an example of "See? We can fit in with this present world if we will let down enough!"

This inferiority complex so many Apostolics have, and the desire to be accepted by the godless society we live in is the single most disturbing trend I see in the church today.

CS could it rather be the desire to show our young people that you can serve God and be successful in the world? Young people struggle with insecurity and low self-esteem. Many of our youth in addition to struggling with teenage insecurity also must deal with feeling alone, isolated, and misunderstood. Here is a young lady who is a member of one our well known assemblies in NYC who is loved by millions (as Dora the Explorer) and yet here she is in Charlotte worshipping the Lord, rejoicing, speaking in tongues, etc. It sends a positive message to our kids that you can be a good Christian and ascend to the top in your field of labor without walking away from Jesus.

[Consapostolic1]

Originally Posted by deacon blues

CS could it rather be the desire to show our young people that you can serve God and be successful in the world? Young people struggle with insecurity and low self-esteem. Many of our youth in addition to struggling with teenage insecurity also must deal with feeling alone, isolated, and misunderstood. Here is a young lady who is a member of one our well known assemblies in NYC who is loved by millions (as Dora the Explorer) and yet here she is in Charlotte worshipping the Lord, rejoicing, speaking in tongues, etc. It sends a positive message to our kids that you can be a good Christian and ascend to the top in your field of labor without walking away from Jesus.

Why couldn't they showcase someone else in another field of work that is more accepted by pentecostals?

[DividedThigh]

has anyone ever heard of praying for her instead of just criticizing her dress, she needs some coaching and teaching but please dont condemn her, that is not your place, pray that she sees god in her life and responds , dt imho

[QueenEsther]

Unfortunately we missed this session....my daughter would have loved it!! Lol!

[SDG]

Originally Posted by Consapostolic1

Why couldn't they showcase someone else in another field of work that is more accepted by pentecostals?

Most Pentecostals accept TV stars living for Jesus.... a few Oneness Apostolics don't.

[Steve Epley]

You reckon Micheal Jackson might be Pentecostal?

1 John 2:12-17

I write unto you, little children, because your sins are forgiven you for his name's sake. I write unto you, fathers, because ye have known him that is from the beginning. I write unto you, young men, because ye have overcome the wicked one. I write unto you, little children, because ye have known the Father. I have written unto you, fathers, because ye have known him that is from the beginning. I have written unto you, young men, because ye are strong, and the word of God abideth in you, and ye have overcome the wicked one. Love not the world, neither the things that are in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him. For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world. And the world passeth away, and the lust thereof: but he that doeth the will of God abideth for ever.

All I have to say, is what happened to teaching separation from the world? Avoiding worldliness? If we are supposed to be the counter-culture, then this is really sad. I'm not referring to this girl specifically, but the mindset in general.

I was traveling last week, and our family stopped at a rest stop along the interstate. A man asked me if I was going to Youth Congress, as he saw my long skirt and hair, and my daughter's long skirt and hair. After he said that, I looked around and noticed young ladies everywhere, with sort-of long hair, and skirts that *just* made it to the knees. Not what myself or daughter would wear. Until he had said something, I never noticed any "modest, Apostolic-looking people." After he said something, I had to look for them.

Why would we want to hide under a bushel and try to blend in with the world?

It just seems like people want to have their cake and eat it too.

[Thumper]

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

You reckon Micheal Jackson might be Pentecostal?

I hear he's looking our way

[J-Roc]

Originally Posted by Titus2Mom

[COLOR="Red"]1 John 2:12-17

I was traveling last week, and our family stopped at a rest stop along the interstate. A man asked me if I was going to Youth Congress, as he saw my long skirt and hair, and my daughter's long skirt and hair. After he said that, I looked around and noticed young ladies everywhere, with sort-of long hair, and skirts that *just* made it to the knees. Not what myself or daughter would wear. Until he had said something, I never noticed any "modest, Apostolic-looking people." After he said something, I had to look for them.

Why would we want to hide under a bushel and try to blend in with the world?

It just seems like people want to have their cake and eat it too.

So, now the burden is on our women to *show* they are apostolic...what ever happened to attitude/behavior being the benchmark? Would that man have asked the same thing if it were your husband and son? Why can your husband and son blend in with society and be fine, but WOE to the woman that blends in...

[SDG]

Originally Posted by Sherri

NLYP--
I don't see anything wrong with this gal, but don't you think this sends a mixed message to the young teenagers of UPC by promoting this gal and then teaching the holiness standards that they do? I guess I'm just looking at it from an outside viewpoint, but it seems weird and confusing to me.

Originally Posted by deacon blues

And you really think that Dora the Explorer is going to push the pro-tv vote over the top? I hardly think so. The die is cast, everyone had their muind made up last year. I doubt too many have evolved one way or the other. Besides, maybe 5% of the voting ministry were present at YC.

Don't read too much into it.

How far fetched is it to think that TG wanted to make a political statement about how he envisions the future of the fellowship at this ... his last Youth Congress?

Let's recap just some of the controversy:

1. An Apostolic TV star is showcased as a role model for other young people.

2. Choreographed Step Dancing debuts at an endorsed event.

3. Gaddy pleads to his listeners in his last message that they too "step out of the box".

Everyone's minds are made up on the TV resolution ... as is Gaddy's ... who is stepping away ...

I don't doubt his passion is youth or that he sought to inspire and impact their lives in a memorable way when he made the executive decisions in organizing this event.

Yet, anyone can tell you ... including as Sherri stated above. This is not your Mama's UPCI. There are some mixed messages that are new to some in the fellowship. We would be remissed to think that TG did not know that controversy would rear its head after this YC.

He has played a role in organizing these events before... Dozens of ideas are tossed about in brainstorming sessions ... but often are decided against due to perceived notions of impropriety or fear of political fallout.

Gaddy has an agenda here. It's clear. As part of his legacy he has set precedent in the policy decision making process of at least the department he is involved in ... His vision for the future of the fellowship does not match those who will be voting no in September. This was Gaddy's exclamation point.