Burning the Koran

[coadie]

Originally Posted by Aquila

Coadie... you can't yell "FIRE" in a crowded building. I work in aviation security. You can't release SSI. People don't have the right to say or do things that endanger the life, liberty, or property of someone else. If the generals on the ground are reporting that this issue will inflame their battlefield situation and endanger our troops and our mission... it's now an issue of international security. Protecting the mission, our troops, and the life, liberty, and property of our citizens is the government's job.

This "pastor" isn't just making a speech and sharing his views. He's purposefully taking actions that will endanger our military mission, our troops, and perhaps even citizens of the United States. It could be argued that this pastor should be detained for national security interests. If he feels his rights were violated, give him his day in court and let the court decide if his actions were merely "free speech" or if his actions unnecessarily endanger American lives and our military mission. I say, get him into costody and let the system work. That's what it's here for. But if I were a political servant of the people in public office... I'd feel obligated to act and let the chips fall where they will.

If this were WWII and his actions would endanger the Allied mission against Hitler.... I'm sure our grand parents would know what to do with him.

You repeat the "Can't yell fire" line several times a day. You have no logical argument by misapplying that line. It is a false analogy. The Jones is not yelling fire.
Your call to have him tossed in jail is an ugly method used in Russia and China to silence and punish pastors.

Burning a book endangers no one. No one. Ignorant arguments are big these days.

Aviation security doesn't teach law classes to the pretend half cops.

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

We need a leader before we can say that. We, unfortunately, don't have one at the moment.

Amen.

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by coadie

You repeat the "Can't yell fire" line several times a day. You have no logical argument by misapplying that line. It is a false analogy. The Jones is not yelling fire.

Wrong.

If one yells "FIRE" in a crowded building he endangers life. Therefore it's illegal.

This pastor is yelling, "FIRE! ISLAM IS DANGEROUS. I'LL BURN A KORAN AND WATCH WHAT THEY DO!", his statement is unnecessary and endangers the lives of our troops, lives of our citizens, and the military mission at hand. Generals on the ground are already warning the President that this man's actions will endanger troops. This isn't just my opinion opinion. It's official reports from leaders ON THE GROUND.

Your call to have him tossed in jail is an ugly method used in Russia and China to silence and punish pastors.

Wrong again.

With Generals reporting from the ground that this man endangers their mission it's a national security risk. That means the government is OBLIGATED to act. I propose we arrest him and detain him. He has the right to an attorney. Let him get his attorney and argue legally that he is using his "freedom of speech". Let the government present the case that it is an issue of national security. Then let the court decide. It's the system. You're saying the system should do nothing and this man has cart blanch right to inflame our enemy, endanger troops, citizens, and the mission we're militarily engaged in. You're the raging liberal here who supports endangering troops, citizens, and our military mission on the ground. You're supporting a man whose actions are a national security risk to the United States in our war against the radical extremists. So don't play that card. You'll only reveal yourself.

If this were WWII and our troops were engaging Hitler and this man wanted to do something that could endanger the mission... he'd most likely already be arrested and in a camp in Arizona somewhere counseling with his attorney. I'm not saying he doesn't have the right. I'm not saying he does. I'm saying let the system take it to the courts and Constitutionally determine if he has the right to endanger national security with his so called "freedom of speech".

Burning a book endangers no one. No one. Ignorant arguments are big these days.

You’re wrong.

http://articles.cnn.com/2010-09-06/u...slims?_s=PM:US

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000...753093116.html

Brother, Generals and Commanders on the ground are alarmed and concerned that this endangers troops and the mission. Agencies throughout the U.S. are on heightened alerts due to various threats of reprisal (hoping they are not creditable). You’re “poo-pooing” this. The authorities are not.

Wake up Coadie. Again, to you this is just a debate. I don’t think you’ll care unless some “loose nutcase” is enraged by this and hurts or kills someone you know. At least, that’s the way you’re talking here. For those of us with friends and loved ones on the battlefield, and are concerned about security here at home… this is rather disturbing.

Aviation security doesn't teach law classes to the pretend half cops.

You have no idea Coadie. No idea. The FBI and various agencies are already briefing security personnel on the issue.

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/Blott...ry?id=11587779

That’s really all I can say.

[Aquila]

It is written,

Hebrews 12:14
Follow peace with all men, and holiness, without which no man shall see the Lord:

[Aquila]

Wow. A friend of mine just said that this pastor, "...might be one of the two witnesses in the Revelation." lol

[Light]

Originally Posted by coadie

In custody for what?
You have a lawless mind. Twisted liberal minds. Do a preemptive imprisonment. How sick.
Put a person in jail for talking about doing something that is not illegal.
We will always have Mulsim terrorism. In fact they kill each other
by the thousands. Today they are stoning the Devil for Ramadam
If we put people in custody for being ignorant, the jails couldn't hold all the liberals that have said something ignorant.

You call those that do not think like you politically, ignorant, so I will respond with your own words.

If you were given a month in jail every time you said something ignorant in this thread alone, you would die in jail.

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by Light

You call those that do not think like you politically, ignorant, so I will respond with your own words.

If you were given a month in jail every time you said something ignorant in this thread alone, you would die in jail.

LOL

Too bad Coadie isn't a national security risk.

[Twisp]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

....what if there really was a fire though?

lol, then it would be legal to yell "FIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIRE!"

[Aquila]

Here's how stupid this pastor is....

If he goes through with the burning it's going to set off violence and endanger troops and possibly citizens.

If he backs down he will embolden the enemy by giving the impression that they are so powerful that he had to back down or else.

This is why PASTORS and AMATURES need to stay out of national security issues. If the war effort suffers significantly from this... he'll go down in history as the the man who single handedly put the War On Terror in jeopardy.

[Aquila]

And Coadie runs from addressing my response.