Ferd, I understand that they will grade well based on what they say. My point is that we have enough real history now to know that having a Republican in power will not end abortion. At some point it just becomes a talking point while the abortion rate continues to be astronomical after several Republican terms. I certainly believe that abortion is an unbelievable abomination, and my concern is that it is just becoming a political football or talking point.
Im sorry friend but I dont agree at all. first of all, those groups grade on voting records not retoric.
second, when you have a court that has leaned so far to the left, and you have only had 2 presidents with an intention of placing justices on the court who would oppose abortion in the last 28 years, (The two Bushes), you cannot say we have enough history. Those two presidents have put a total of 4 members on the court 3 of whom are likely to oppose abortion. 5 members of the court still support abortion and all were either appointed before Geroge 1 or by Bill Clinton. you cannot say we have enough history.
sorry bro. that simply is not the case. (but I wont call you a liar that would be very unkind.)
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well I dont agree with you on the first part, but I SURE AM in agreement with the idea that politicians should be in the business of making sure businesses stay big and make as much money as they can!
because:
I have never gotten a job from a poor person (or business)
I have never seen a big business that didnt employ thousands of people.
I have never seen a retirement plan like a 401k funded by someone standing in the government hand out line.
I have seen oil companies make me $$$$ in my 401k.
I have seen big (and not so big) busisnesses give me a weekly paycheck and health insurance
So I am AGAINST abortion and FOR BUSINESS!
Ferd, I agree with a lot you said, but there is a new phenomenon that is troubling to me. Now big business is so big that it transcends geoplolitical boundaries. Now it is possible to be beholding to big business in a way that is detrimental to the future and current state of our country. In the age of globilization, too much big business can be terrible for Americans and more beneficial to other parts of the world. I think that American polititicians should be all about America first.
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Whether or not to bring a child into this world needs to be left up to individuals.
I understand your position but you've still not answered the question of why this statement is true? On what basis is it true? On what basis does the individual have the right to abort an unborn child?
I'm NOT trying to argue. I just have never heard a response by a Christian that has an objective answer for this.
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Ferd, I agree with a lot you said, but there is a new phenomenon that is troubling to me. Now big business is so big that it transcends geoplolitical boundaries. Now it is possible to be beholding to big business in a way that is detrimental to the future and current state of our country. In the age of globilization, too much big business can be terrible for Americans and more beneficial to other parts of the world. I think that American polititicians should be all about America first.
I dont disagree with this. But it isnt really globalization. Just last year we saw this kind of thing in action and we are living with the results.
General Electric made a decision to go toward making florecent bulbs. The congress after being lobbied by GE began to discuss passing legislation to move toward this and away from incandecent bulbs.
At the same time NBC began a "Green Blitz" If you remember their football coverage they even turned off the lights in their studios to "conserve" electricity and made a big deal about it. All their news shows did major coverage on global warming, conservation etc.
NBC is OWNED BY GENERAL ELECTRIC.
in the end Congress passed legislation that moves us away from incandecent light bulbs to florecent bulbs.
that by itself should worry everyone. even worse than that, what didnt come out until after the legislation was passed is that these bulbs are FULL of MERCURY and these bulbs are filling our landfills and have the potential to leach mercury into our water supply.
so yea, there is serious concern about this kind of thing, but lets not kid ourselves, DEMOCRATS voted for this legislation. the notion that Republicans support the bad parts of "big business" isnt really exclusive is it?
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Ferd, I agree with a lot you said, but there is a new phenomenon that is troubling to me. Now big business is so big that it transcends geoplolitical boundaries. Now it is possible to be beholding to big business in a way that is detrimental to the future and current state of our country. In the age of globilization, too much big business can be terrible for Americans and more beneficial to other parts of the world. I think that American polititicians should be all about America first.
As long as the company is making money and its shareholders are making money, who cares if the company takes its jobs overseas? Who cares if thousands upon thousands of American jobs, and whole industries, are moving out of the USA? Long as they are making the almighty dollar, anything they do is just fine. Makes me wanna puke!
Im sorry friend but I dont agree at all. first of all, those groups grade on voting records not retoric.
second, when you have a court that has leaned so far to the left, and you have only had 2 presidents with an intention of placing justices on the court who would oppose abortion in the last 28 years, (The two Bushes), you cannot say we have enough history. Those two presidents have put a total of 4 members on the court 3 of whom are likely to oppose abortion. 5 members of the court still support abortion and all were either appointed before Geroge 1 or by Bill Clinton. you cannot say we have enough history.
sorry bro. that simply is not the case. (but I wont call you a liar that would be very unkind.)
LIAR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I know that we have disussed this in the past, but we do currently have a situation where 7 of the 9 Justices were Republican appointed.
Secondly, we have in the recent past had a Republican White House and Hill...what did those voting records net us in regards to eliminating abortion.
Thirdly, what does a vote for a "pro-life" candidate actually mean. For the record once again, I have never voted Democrat, but I am tired of posturing and rhetoric. Does a vote for a pro-life President and Senate mean that I have a realistic expectation that they will get rid of abortion?
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all these jobs moving over seas, yet US unemployment has been below 6% for YEARS and median income is higher than EVER.
something isnt computing....
also, since 2003 (read bush tax cuts) the total number of millionairs has more than doubled.
the top 2% of wage owners pay somewhere near 40% or more of the tax burden. in the 1970s under Jimmy Carter they paid about 19% of the total income tax bill.
the bottom 50% of wage owners currently pay 2% of the tax burden.
for a party that is for the rich and against the poor... uhm.. republicans are doing a poor job.
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If you want national health care you should go ahead and move to a communist country where you will be happy.
It doesn't have to be "national health care" or "national health insurance". I want affordable health care. The Democrats have a plan that will mediate cost on the private market. And under the Democratic plan the aspects that are nationalized are privately managed.
You know, I guess it is only right that someone would be here adovcating for abortion. Everyting else under the sun has someone saying it aint wrong so why not abortion too?
good grief.
I am not advocating for abortion. I'm simply saying that the government is incapable of adequately dealing with the problem. Government may indeed prove incapable of dealing with health care too. But after loosing my mom because she couldn't afford to see a doctor....I'm willing to at least see what the Democrats can do.
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