Calling all PAJCers: When does Justification and Remission Happen?

[SDG]

Originally Posted by stmatthew

This really is the dividing point. Some see justification equaling salvation, while others do not.

For who???

[Coonskinner]

Originally Posted by stmatthew

This really is the dividing point. Some see justification equaling salvation, while others do not.

Exactly.

This is why I zeroed in on it.

The erroneous idea that justification is tantamount to salvation is responsible for a lot of doctrinal error.

[SDG]

I agree w/ both of you ... our salvation is not complete until each of us hear “'Well done, good and faithful servant. You have been faithful over a little; I will set you over much. Enter into the joy of your Lord”

[Truthseeker]

Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea

I agree ... our salvation is not complete until each of us hear “'Well done, good and faithful servant. You have been faithful over a little; I will set you over much. Enter into the joy of your Lord”

Are we not saved now?

[Truthseeker]

Originally Posted by Coonskinner

Exactly.

This is why I zeroed in on it.

The erroneous idea that justification is tantamount to salvation is responsible for a lot of doctrinal error.

Don't they kinda of go hand and hand?

[SDG]

Originally Posted by Truthseeker

Are we not saved now?

With out a doubt we are ... blessed assurance...

[Truthseeker]

Originally Posted by Truthseeker

If remission of sins is at baptism, how did the gentiles in acts10 get the infilling of the Spirit before baptism???

bump

[SDG]

Originally Posted by Truthseeker

Don't they kinda of go hand and hand?

If we are not first declared righteous we can't approach him ... CS.

[Coonskinner]

Originally Posted by Truthseeker

Don't they kinda of go hand and hand?

Yes, in a manner of speaking.

The intent of some, however, is to try and isolate a point somewhere before full obedience to Acts 2:38 and say that justification is already in place, so that they can say folks are saved without the rest of it.

[SDG]

Originally Posted by stmatthew

You are either missing the point, or once again skating the issue.

No sir ... I think you are making a point for me ...putting words in my mouth.