Bishop SC Johnson - Page 20

warrior · #**191** 01-28-2009, 09:22 AM

Hi Martha,

Bishop was a man who was honorable for the One God message. However, can you tell me the scriptures he used to support the doctrine of his dress code, and no son of God in heaven. That is a message that can be easily challenged through scripture.

Now, what is the scripture that says he will be the last apostle? If that was true, there must be a scripture that would mention something so profound.

Where is the scripture that says we should be listening only to Bishop Johnson's tapes and be pastored by a man that his been dead for more than 40 years. There are people walking around talking about everybody is false except for Bishop Johnson. So they have no living pastor and sit at home listening only to tapes. There is no scripture to support this. Bishop Johnson told his congregation to listen to his tapes until Jesus comes back. That teaching is wrong!

What about the teaching that there was gross darkness between the biblical apostles and Bishop Johnson. Johnson preached that. What are the scriptures that prove that?

I have no problem with people who support Bishop Johnson. However, there are some things that I think should be looked at more closely before digesting everything he said as gospel. Looking forward to seeing the scriptures that you have to defend Bishop Johnson's teachings.

warrior · #**192** 01-28-2009, 11:28 AM

Martha,
What about those who never hear Bishop Johnson? Will they still be saved if they aren't listening to HIM?

What about the people who were here during the period he called gross darkness? If the Bible apostles were dead and he hadn't arrived on the scene yet, did they not have the opportunity to receive salvation?

Sam · #**193** 01-28-2009, 12:04 PM

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Originally Posted by warrior

Hi Martha,

Bishop was a man who was honorable for the One God message. However, can you tell me the scriptures he used to support the doctrine of his dress code, and no son of God in heaven. That is a message that can be easily challenged through scripture.

Now, what is the scripture that says he will be the last apostle? If that was true, there must be a scripture that would mention something so profound.

Where is the scripture that says we should be listening only to Bishop Johnson's tapes and be pastored by a man that his been dead for more than 40 years. There are people walking around talking about everybody is false except for Bishop Johnson. So they have no living pastor and sit at home listening only to tapes. There is no scripture to support this. Bishop Johnson told his congregation to listen to his tapes until Jesus comes back. That teaching is wrong!

What about the teaching that there was gross darkness between the biblical apostles and Bishop Johnson. Johnson preached that. What are the scriptures that prove that?

I have no problem with people who support Bishop Johnson. However, there are some things that I think should be looked at more closely before digesting everything he said as gospel. Looking forward to seeing the scriptures that you have to defend Bishop Johnson's teachings.

Bishop Johnson was human.
I would not argue about whether he was an apostle or not but whether he was or not does not mean that he was 100 percent accurate in everything that he preached or taught. We all know in part and prophesy in part. We see through a glass (Bible) dimly. Some day we'll be raptured and reach perfection. Until then there will be disagreements among us on just about any doctrine or teaching or interpretation.

warrior · #**194** 01-28-2009, 12:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Sam

Bishop Johnson was human.
I would not argue about whether he was an apostle or not but whether he was or not does not mean that he was 100 percent accurate in everything that he preached or taught. We all know in part and prophesy in part. We see through a glass (Bible) dimly. Some day we'll be raptured and reach perfection. Until then there will be disagreements among us on just about any doctrine or teaching or interpretation.

Sam, I totally see that he isn't perfect. However, there are people sitting at home and spreading the lies that he was and not only was he an apostle but the LAST APOSTLE to ever walk this earth. They won't hear anyone else because they have been taught that everyone else is FALSE. I get that he was subject to error, but his followers don't.

TRFrance · #**195** 01-28-2009, 12:26 PM

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Sam, I totally see that he isn't perfect. However, there are people sitting at home and spreading the lies that he was and not only was he an apostle but the LAST APOSTLE to ever walk this earth. They won't hear anyone else because they have been taught that everyone else is FALSE. I get that he was subject to error, but his followers don't.

It's a shame that these people don't have enough discernment enough to know that there is no scripture to support the idea that Johnson was the "last apostle"... nor his "no Son of God in heaven" teaching... nor the "we dont need a pastor -- we'll just listen to tapes" practice. If these people would compare all things by scripture they'd see how they're greatly in error on these things.

At the end of the day, our primary loyalty has to be to the Word of God, not to any man, no matter how good a preacher he supposedly is.

warrior · #**196** 01-28-2009, 12:31 PM

He also taught that the world was in gross darkness before he came and revealed the truth. Now, his followers are telling others that and trying to make people follow them. That is an error. There are many who have come to a point of idolotry because of these teachings.

I think this is bigger than saying this man made an error so let's over look him. People are still waiting on him to be resurrected from the dead because they believe in him and him only. This is about the sould rather than a person making a mistake. Bishop Johnson made himself clear that NO ONE else had truth except him. That is why this discussion is even taking place right now.

warrior · #**197** 01-28-2009, 12:33 PM

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Originally Posted by TRFrance

It's a shame that these people don't have enough discernment enough to know that there is no scripture to support the idea that Johnson was the "last apostle"... nor his "no Son of God in heaven" teaching... nor the "we dont need a pastor -- we'll just listen to tapes" practice. If these people would compare all things by scripture they'd see how they're greatly in error on these things.

At the end of the day, our primary loyalty has to be to the Word of God, not to any man, no matter how good a preacher he supposedly is.

Many of them choose to listen to the tapes before ever referring to the Bible. If the Bible reference was ever made they would know they were out of order.

TRFrance · #**198** 01-28-2009, 12:37 PM

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Originally Posted by warrior

He also taught that the world was in gross darkness before he came and revealed the truth. Now, his followers are telling others that and trying to make people follow them. That is an error. There are many who have come to a point of idolotry because of these teachings.

I think this is bigger than saying this man made an error so let's over look him. People are still waiting on him to be resurrected from the dead because they believe in him and him only. This is about the sould rather than a person making a mistake. Bishop Johnson made himself clear that NO ONE else had truth except him. That is why this discussion is even taking place right now.

Sorry, I don't throw the "c" word around a lot , but to me, this kind of stuff is borderline cultic.

What about Holy Ghost filled, One God, Jesus name baptized folks in countries all over the world who never heard of SC Johnson?
Are they not saved? Do they not have revealed truth from God also?

warrior · #**199** 01-28-2009, 12:42 PM

TRFrance, those are the questions I can never get a straight answer to. Bishop Johnson and his congregants have a monopoly on truth and according to them, if you want it it has to come from him.

Sam · #**200** 01-28-2009, 12:51 PM

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Sorry, I don't throw the "c" word around a lot , but to me, this kind of stuff is borderline cultic.
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Yes, very much so.

Among Oneness Pentecostals there are several groups and individual congregations that are just plain cults --no other way to describe it-- and that is within the UPC and other organizations too.