Apostolic Feminists

[RevDWW]

Originally Posted by Berkeley

Ahh, well half a womans sermons would be on wrath.. the other half on knitting...

[Steve Epley]

Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea

Elder ...

Ecclesiastes

Here some hard facts you can't ignore:
1. Of the ministry of PROPHETS this included women! Young's Analytical Concordance p. 78 defines a "PROPHETESS" as a female
preacher."

2. "In Hebrew the word "preacher" is a FEMININE word and literally means, *a FEMALE lector, orator, or a preacher.* Look it up in Strongs and see if this is the definition?"


3. Biblically speaking Romans 16:1-2 describes Phebe as a Pastor. The word "servant" is "diakonos" Strongs defines this a "Christian minister or Pastor." Paul also states that Phebe was a "succourer" of many, this is the noun form of the verb "rule". A "succourer" according to THAYER means, "a woman set over others." Also Phebe was the one delegating business, "see that ye assist HER in whatsoever things SHE hath need of YOU to do." This does not describe the acts of a slave (as many would have us believe) or the text would have said, "see that SHE assist YOU in whatsoever things you hath need of HER." Phebe was the one in charge of the business of the Church.

4. 1Timothy 2:12 for the context changes from MEN and WOMEN to just man and woman (singular) who is this man and woman? Well, Paul uses the illustration of Adam and Eve, who were they? They were HUSBAND and WIFE! The word man is "aner" and the word woman is "gune". These two words used together in the singular ALWAYS mean "husband and wife"! Paul goes on to say that the woman will be saved in childbearing, where dies this take place? In the church or in the home? Obviously in the home i.e. husband and wife. Paul concludes by saying "if THEY" continue in faith". Who is THEY? Well, obviously it is a HUSBAND and WIFE! Luther's German translation states: "I permit not a wife to teach or domineer over her husband." What Paul is prohibiting is a woman usurping authority over her husband."

5. As for a woman keeping silent in the church ....
You need to figure out what "LAW" is referred to in 1Corinthians 14:34-35. This "LAW" is the one that "SAYS" that a woman are to be silent in the churches "as also saith the law" then Paul states: "for it is a shame for a woman to speak in the church" literally this is "for it is a shame for a woman to speak in the congregation" what LAW says so? Study 1Corinthians and you will see that Paul is responding to a letter written to him by Chole 1Corinthians 1, and beginning at chapter u7 he deals with specific issues of the letter. Now concerning the things you wrote unto me... We find a pattern of Paul quoting from the letter written by the Corinthians or stating the situation in Corinth. 1 Corinthians 14:34-35 IS NOT a command of Paul but rather a quotation from the letter written by the Corinthians who were imposing this "LAW" upon the church that women should not speak. What is this "LAW" the only LAw that says women should not speak in the congregation of men" --that is from the Talmud!

The Corinthians had embraced the Talmud and were teaching it as the commandments of God, and Paul said, "WHAT" in Greek this is the "e" participle and is a stiff rebuke to what just proceeded it. Paul uses this many times in 1Corinthians. Paul is rebuking the Corinthians for not letting women speak. "WHAT" came the word of God unto you, WHAT or came it unto you only, if any man be a prophet or spiritual, let him acknowledge that the thing I WRITE (as opposed to what the Corinthians had wrote) are the commandments of God." Paul wrote that women could pray and prophesy in church 1Corinthians 11.

Paul wrote that women labored with him in THE GOSPEL Philippians 4:3. Paul wrote That a woman was a minister of the Church Romans 16:1.

Paul writes that a woman was an apostle Romans 16:7, Junia is a woman's name and to be "among the apostles" means to be apart of the apostles in the same sense that the tongue is among our members.

Sorry a prophetess is NOT a female prophet.
Then ONLY women could preach!
YOU nor I have any idea what Phoebe did.
Sorry the verse not only said usurp authority it also said TEACH ! She can't do either.
It was the Corinithians allowing women to preach as with their other errors Paul was letting them know the word of God came to them NOT from them.
Women labor in the gospel all the time without preaching! Ever hear of laboring in prayer?
The passage does NOT say Junia firstly is a woman that is pure conjecture also it does not say she was an apostle but rather noted or known among the apostles. You could be known or note among the airplane pilots and never been in an airplane.
Advise come up with something better this is way t easy.

Change your heading from FACTS to FICTION.

[tbpew]

Originally Posted by RevDWW

Huh???? Do you read the same New Testament I do? There is differential teaching between the sexes. The man is the head of the woman, the woman was made for the man and not vice versa. Just to make it clear I firmly believe and live a life that demonstrates my love for my wife like Christ loved the Church.

hey no problem with principles,
lets just decide if they apply to the created realm
or
the Kingdom of God

so REV,
are there males and females in Christ?

[Rhoni]

Originally Posted by RevDWW

Huh???? Do you read the same New Testament I do? There is differential teaching between the sexes. The man is the head of the woman, the woman was made for the man and not vice versa. Just to make it clear I firmly believe and live a life that demonstrates my love for my wife like Christ loved the Church.

It also stated that man was born of woman and shouldn't get so full of himself!

You have to take all of Corinthians not just one verse to prove your point! DUH!

[Steve Epley]

Originally Posted by tbpew

hey no problem with principles,
lets just decide if they apply to the created realm
or
the Kingdom of God

so REV,
are there males and females in Christ?

Women are yet women in Christ yes!!!!!!!!!!!!!! NOT when it comes to being baptized into Christ that is what the passage is speaking of.
Example two Holy Ghost filled sisters cannot marry thus there are distinctions.

[berkeley]

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

Sorry a prophetess is NOT a female prophet.
Then ONLY women could preach!
YOU nor I have any idea what Phoebe did.
Sorry the verse not only said usurp authority it also said TEACH ! She can't do either.
It was the Corinithians allowing women to preach as with their other errors Paul was letting them know the word of God came to them NOT from them.
Women labor in the gospel all the time without preaching! Ever hear of laboring in prayer?
The passage does NOT say Junia firstly is a woman that is pure conjecture also it does not say she was an apostle but rather noted or known among the apostles. You could be known or note among the airplane pilots and never been in an airplane.
Advise come up with something better this is way t easy.

Change your heading from FACTS to FICTION.

I've already stated that I'm ok with women preachers, but I hate when Junia is mentioned. We don't know if Junia was male or female, and noted amongst the Apostles means that they were familiar with Junia.

I can be noted amongst the AMF, but not hold license.

[Rhoni]

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

Women are yet women in Christ yes!!!!!!!!!!!!!! NOT when it comes to being baptized into Christ that is what the passage is speaking of.
Example two Holy Ghost filled sisters cannot marry thus there are distinctions.

[tbpew]

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

Women are yet women in Christ yes!!!!!!!!!!!!!! NOT when it comes to being baptized into Christ that is what the passage is speaking of.
Example two Holy Ghost filled sisters cannot marry thus there are distinctions.

sorry steve, I depart with you there
there is NO MARRYING in CHRIST.

[SDG]

Sorry a prophetess is NOT a female prophet.

A prophetess is a female prophet ... and can be translated to female preacher.

Then ONLY women could preach!

Here... once again your limited knowledge or interest in languages is glaring

The word preacher is feminine ... in the Hebrew ...

Some languages have masculine and feminine words ... not dealing necessarily w/ gender

In Spanish an example would be: el auto [masculine article used w/ car ...Taken literally .... How many male cars do you know ...???

YOU nor I have any idea what Phoebe did.

As long as it doesn't fit your ideology .. then she of course wasn't in ministry.

Sorry the verse not only said usurp authority it also said TEACH ! She can't do either.

It was the Corinithians allowing women to preach as with their other errors Paul was letting them know the word of God came to them NOT from them.
Women labor in the gospel all the time without preaching! Ever hear of laboring in prayer?

Preaching the Gospel ... or sharing the good news is Christ's mandate to all believer's ... and BTW ... ever hear of the PRIESTHOOD OF ALL BELIEVERS ... it's quite a powerful concept.

The passage does NOT say Junia firstly is a woman that is pure conjecture also it does not say she was an apostle but rather noted or known among the apostles. You could be known or note among the airplane pilots and never been in an airplane.

Deny ... Deny ... Deny ... even when faced with biblical witness.

[Steve Epley]

Originally Posted by Berkeley

I've already stated that I'm ok with women preachers, but I hate when Junia is mentioned. We don't know if Junia was male or female, and noted amongst the Apostles means that they were familiar with Junia.

I can be noted amongst the AMF, but not hold license.

Very true.