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Old 11-16-2007, 12:01 AM
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I avoid him like the plague. He asserts Israel does NOT need Jesus the savior to be saved...They are fine the way they are without Jesus under the law. Jesus was for the gentiles. Imagine that?

Very sad indeed...Neither did I know that. As I said I am reading a book that contains a lot of history.
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Old 11-16-2007, 12:17 AM
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John Hagee is an anti christ. He is teaching that Yeshua is not the Messiah.

http://www.vloggingtheapocalypse.com..._MESSIAH_quot_
I went to that site and saw the following:

In a video advertisement for his book “In Defense of Israel”, Pastor John Hagee, director of Christians United For Israel claims:
"The Jewish people, as a whole did not reject Jesus as Messiah."
"Jesus did not come to Earth to be the Messiah."
"Jesus refused by word and deed to be the Messiah."
"The Jews cannot be blamed for not accepting what was never offered."

Somewhere I had read that John Hagee teaches that the Jews do not need Jesus for salvation, that they are OK some other way, but I did not know how accurate that statement was. I wonder what Pastor Hagee is really saying?

It has been my opinion that Jesus came to be the Messiah. In Matthew 2 the wise men came seeking the One who was born as King of the Jews (Mt 2:2). Herod checked with the scribes and priests as to where "Christ") (the Anointed One or Messiah) was to be born (Mt 2:4). The angels announced to the shepherds that a Savior was born and He was "Christ the Lord" (Luke 2:11). After Andrew was introduced to Jesus by John the Baptist he went to his brother Peter and said, "We have found the Messiah" and the author of the Gospel adds the explanation "(which is translated, the Christ)." (John 1:35-41). Later, when Jesus was speaking to the woman at the well in Samaria, she said, "I know that Messiah is coming. When He comes He will tell us all things." (John 4:25). Again John adds the explanation "(who is called Christ)" to explain her words. Jesus then responds to her, "I who speak to you an He" in verse 26. Then in Acts chapter 17 it tells about the Apostle Paul's ministry in Thessalonica. As he usually did, he first went to the local synagogue and there for 3 sabbaths he reasoned with them from the Scriptures. Luke describes the method Paul used. First, he was "explaining and demonstrating that the Christ/Messiah had to suffeer and rise again from the dead." Then after explaining that their prophecies told about a suffering and dying Messiah, his next step was to go on and state, "This Jesus whom I preach to you is the Christ."
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Old 11-16-2007, 12:19 AM
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Agreed brother ...
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and I do not believe even like most on this forum believe about end times as I believe the church will go through persecution...however I do not make a issue of it.
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Old 11-16-2007, 08:32 AM
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Only in times of persecution do we read of great harmony of the church...If Jesus returns today we are too divided for anyone much to be saved...we fuss over what color shirts people wear, if hair is up or down (ladies) we fuss over a million things that don't amount to a hill of beans in my opinion. We fuss over going to Disney and turn around and go to Epcot! We fuss over Branson and turn around and take 10 thousand dollar vacations. We fuss over what color card we carry or choose not to carry. We fuss over watching a Bible film and turn around and read love novels. We fuss over...maybe I should shut up...God surely must be sad with all our hate and killings on our altars...
I weep...

(I am not saying I do or do not do these things I am just using some examples)
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Old 11-16-2007, 08:38 AM
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Our petty differences will suddenly dim when we REALLY need each other.
Only then will most see how petty most issues really are.

And please do not run and say I condome sin because I do not but I do believe in mercy and love.
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What a blessing it is to read your words. What a blessing it is to have you in God's Kingdom. You last two posts on this thread are GOLD. Thank you for the inspiration. ALL of your posts (that I have read are "words in due season. May you be blessed today and every day.
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Our petty differences will suddenly dim when we REALLY need each other.
Only then will most see how petty most issues really are.

And please do not run and say I condome sin because I do not but I do believe in mercy and love.
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Only in times of persecution do we read of great harmony of the church...If Jesus returns today we are too divided for anyone much to be saved...we fuss over what color shirts people wear, if hair is up or down (ladies) we fuss over a million things that don't amount to a hill of beans in my opinion. We fuss over going to Disney and turn around and go to Epcot! We fuss over Branson and turn around and take 10 thousand dollar vacations. We fuss over what color card we carry or choose not to carry. We fuss over watching a Bible film and turn around and read love novels. We fuss over...maybe I should shut up...God surely must be sad with all our hate and killings on our altars...
I weep...

(I am not saying I do or do not do these things I am just using some examples)
Very true.....unfortunately!
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Oh yeah, when persecution comes we want have the use of telefones maybe that will help us! ha...
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Only in times of persecution do we read of great harmony of the church...If Jesus returns today we are too divided for anyone much to be saved...we fuss over what color shirts people wear, if hair is up or down (ladies) we fuss over a million things that don't amount to a hill of beans in my opinion. We fuss over going to Disney and turn around and go to Epcot! We fuss over Branson and turn around and take 10 thousand dollar vacations. We fuss over what color card we carry or choose not to carry. We fuss over watching a Bible film and turn around and read love novels. We fuss over...maybe I should shut up...God surely must be sad with all our hate and killings on our altars...
I weep...

(I am not saying I do or do not do these things I am just using some examples)
Good preaching Sister Alvear! The only thing wrong with it is you stopped too soon. But our Heavenly Father is going to help us and I can see the day coming quickly.
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