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Old 03-03-2007, 05:24 PM
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There is only one New Birth. You have to pass through the cloud and the sea. You can't have one and not the other. There is no other way.!!!


(now, what will become of me when I proclaim this to the Presbyterians )
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What some proclaim to be the new birth is not the new birth.
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What some proclaim to be the new birth is not the new birth.
You must be a PURIST.
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Old 03-03-2007, 05:30 PM
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You must be a PURIST.
I've always been a "perfectionist." Sometimes it's a flaw.
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Doctrinal purity is as hard to define as the questuion, who is really the apostolics.

CS no doubt think's he closer to doctrinal purity than MOW.

MOW no doubt think's he is closer to doctrinal purity than CS.

I think we are more excited about it than God is, but that's just my opinion. Not sure it is doctrianly pure.

Most Mormons would think none of us doctrinally pure.

We have to beleive what you believe or agree with your every intrpretation of scripture to considered doctrinally pure, Right?
Stop me if you've heard this before but "What is Truth"? I'll bet God cares a lot about how we view Him. To you it doesn't seem possible.
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Stop me if you've heard this before but "What is Truth"? I'll bet God cares a lot about how we view Him. To you it doesn't seem possible.
I believe God is Truth ... many times we forget that when we filter His Word and try to explain it [doctrine]... it will have bias.
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I think this insightful and thoughtful post written by Most Excellent Theophilus fits into this discussion quite well.

Check it out.
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Stop me if you've heard this before but "What is Truth"? I'll bet God cares a lot about how we view Him. To you it doesn't seem possible.
My friend, I think many peopple "view" God, thru glasses that have been smudged by doctrinally impure proclamations of who He is.

How can people proclaim they "know Jesus or know God" when they their "picture" of who God is is so out of focus.
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I believe God is Truth ... many times we forget that when we filter His Word and try to explain it [doctrine]... it will have bias.
Everyone has 'bias'. Impossibles not to. But that doesn't mean Truth cannot be found or that it's not important. Obviously the Scriptures assume and declare that it is a must! As God is the all perfect one anything less, concerning Him, is sin.
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I believe God is Truth ... many times we forget that when we filter His Word and try to explain it [doctrine]... it will have bias.
It will ALWAYS have bias and there is no way to keep the bias out. I have been around MANY pentecostal circles, paradigms, viewpoints, doctrines etc. I have "bought" into no one's viewpoint completely. I have job to do and that is to feed the flock the Lord has made me an overseer of.

No denomination or group is going to tell me how to pastor NLC. It is none of their business. If I get out of line, NLC has guidelines to follow and I can be removed.

Talk about doctrinal "purity," we can't even get agreement on the new birth from card carrying members of the UPCI. The only way for doctrinal "purity" to prevail is for the biggest voting block to define it and then kick those out who don't agree with it.

Oh, wait, that has been tried and it still didn't work!
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