I'm leaving the principles of the doctrine...!

[SDG]

Guys ... RevBuddy isn't focusing on our interpretations of doctrine but forgetting who we are and who He is. Jesus is the FOUNDATION.

[SDG]

Originally Posted by revrandy

Obviosly your not married....

EGGGHHH!!!!!!!! YOU ARE THE WEAKEST LINK. LOL.

[mizpeh]

Originally Posted by RevBuddy

Mizpeh,

Please don't misunderstand...I'm not threatening to literally leave the forum. I'm just purposing in my heart not to continue to participate in discussions that are non-productive or counter-productive to building His House.

My commitment is to follow the admonition of the Apostle Paul, to leave the basics and go forward to the advanced calling of God for the Church.

By the way, it's also a shame we're not in agreement on The Foundation...seeing it's an Apostolic forum...very interesting.

Your scriptural references are very appicable and address exactly the correct mindset and spirit needed to accomplish the will of God for His kingdom on earth.

My question is more philosphical than real, when I ask, "When can we get on with the Kingdom?"

I hope you are going to do more than ask good questions, but that's a start.

Perhaps you could give us insight on how we attain Christian maturity.

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by RevBuddy

mfblume,

Thanks for your comments...

Perhaps it's idealistic, but I am convinced that Soul-focused people, one-by-one, will be the significant contributors to His kingdom. Israel's wilderness experience could be described as "dead men walking." God help us not to view the wilderness as the "norm," but rather, remember and focus on the Land of Promise already given by God!

Amen. That really is the focus of my ministry, as I have seen the same need in church life. Speaking of idealism, I do not think it is. Hebrews sharply rebuked the people for doubting they could enter this place of "rest", and said they had "evil hearts" in daring to say they could not really get there. Many think it is a slight and casual passing off of something when they doubt, and when they say things like, "Well, I do not have faith for that today. Maybe tomorrow." But God sees it as a blatant evil heart of unbelief! So it cannot be an ideal, really. God was angry in his wrath with those who refused to enter Canaan, due to the giants of the land and the great cities, just as we can easily look at perfection as something too unattainable to consider seeking. I am relfecting on no one here, but just showing what Hebrews said about the issue. What should that make us think about the issue of perfection? It's something we should never fool with.

Now, mfblume, I haven't confused you with Sign On, the dotted lion, have I?

HAHAHAHA. I like that one!

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by mizpeh

I hope you are going to do more than ask good questions, but that's a start.

Perhaps you could give us insight on how we attain Christian maturity.

Now, THIS is getting somewhere. Someone is pulling out my candystick!

I am not RevBuddy, but the issues of walking after the Spirit and realizing the truths of the book of Hebrews is the answer, M.

[The Mrs]

Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea

EGGGHHH!!!!!!!! YOU ARE THE WEAKEST LINK. LOL.

[revrandy]

Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea

EGGGHHH!!!!!!!! YOU ARE THE WEAKEST LINK. LOL.

16 Years+++

[RevBuddy]

Mizpeh,

Achieving mature christianity...now that's a real subject!

But you use the wrong verb, "attaining." That won't happen...at least not in this life...pilgrims and strangers don't attain, we just pass through...

Striving for the perfection of Christ or reaching out to do His perfect will...yes, that's something we all can do. A successful Christian's life is one of striving and reaching...striving and reaching...in a sincere effort to accomplish the will and spirit of His commandments...first, in my life...I'll say that again, FIRST, in MY life...then to influence, (not demand, ridicule, deride or general stress out) others to follow a similar path in harmony with His Word.

The effectual fervent prayer of a righteous man availeth much. Given this principle of prayer, why not manifest that same spirit in maturing your life for Christ or influencing others for Him? If effectual (purposeful) fervent prayer accomplishes (avails) significantly better results. Then why not focus our efforts on accomplishing the same results through SOUL-focused ministry.

I enjoy Bible teaching and through it I hope to influence the Church and beyond...not by my great knowledge, but through the effort of transforming difficult and complicated principles and truths into real-world, everyday words that will assist in maturing Christians and drawing others to Him.

[Michael The Disciple]

Well its of course the goal to go on to perfection. And Im sure many actually believe they are on the true foundation. From my observation I feel the foundation among Apostolics is very much flawed.

I agree with the Godhead and doctrines of baptisms. However the end time doctrine of resurrection is seriously off. Not just "when is the rapture" but the nature of resurrection/immortality itself. Also the doctrine of eternal judgement that people who only lived 70 years on this planet will be burned in fire for billions upon billions upon trillions upon trillions of years does not line up.

So I understand the desire to move on but if one tries to push ahead to perfection without having the right foundation he will ultimately add error to error.

It would be great to move on but first things first.

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by RevBuddy

Mizpeh,

Achieving mature christianity...now that's a real subject!

But you use the wrong verb, "attaining." That won't happen...at least not in this life...pilgrims and strangers don't attain, we just pass through...

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We have to part ways on this one, bro. lol. I believe we CAN have it in this life. In fact, Spiritual Maturity is the entire purpose for this life.