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08-26-2007, 02:40 PM
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I do question if legalists can be taught.
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Dare we question what it is, in your opinion, legalists ought to be taught?
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Without going into detail,
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An excellent decision.
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I've observed the best legalists make the best homosexuals.
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"make" = transform into, or "make" = raise up? If you're talking about people who are shallow and completely devoid of understanding beyond their clothesline, I can see your point. The facts on the ground are not usually as stark as they are painted to be when aspersions are cast. Holding fast to old truths strictly can still be done with all power, spirit, and righteousness.
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I shouldl go through the similarities between homosexuality and legalism, but I don't want to be accused of calling all legalists homosexual.
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Although we could compare your similarities to his, the comparison alone won't make you a Darwinian relative of a chimpanzee. Here, have another banana. 
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08-26-2007, 02:42 PM
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I too agree that the question is a little far out in that it is a bit like asking "Would you rather drink a nice big gulp of sewage from house A? Or a tiny little sip from house B?" We're basically asking whether a BIG gulp is worse then a small sip and what constitutes what.
But going to the meat of the question, I'll stipulate that the "BIG gulp" is better represented by legalism. BOTH sins tend to be of a blinding nature and thus very hard for the sinner to see what they are doing is wrong.....
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08-26-2007, 02:44 PM
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Who was worse Hitler or Stalin? They were both wrong. As homosexuality and legalism are both wrong. Having the love of God and following his commandments are what save us.
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08-26-2007, 02:44 PM
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Why mention names? This thread has nothing to do with personalities. I don't know about others, but I had no intentions of naming people in this discussion. This has nothing to do with personalities, but whcih is worse, legalism or homosexuality. I pointed out comparisons not to accuse anyone. That is why I said there are comparisons, but if I were to mention them, I would be accused of calling all legalists homosexuals. There are parallels between legalism and religious tolerance of homosexuality. Let's take the personalities out of the equation and look at this as grown ups.
Why does the word homosexual scare the snot out of us while we accept the word legalism as a term of endearment?
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Again, speak truths about something, but then attach that title concerning that truth to people who do not fit the description, and then you can paint them in a bad line...guilty by association.
I'm sorry. I don't agree with Steve Epley on everything, but I do not see Steve Epley as legalistic. The same goes for Bros. Boyd, Groce, White, etc. Those of you who TRULY believe them to be legalistic DON'T KNOW ENOUGH ABOUT THEM OR WHERE THEY STAND, HOW THEY VIEW THINGS.
You need to listen rather than label.
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08-26-2007, 02:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Amos
On another thread, tv1a and RandyWayne are promoting the idea that legalism is worse and more difficult to overcome than homosexuality.
What say ye?
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I say that is a pretty stupid statement to make and reeks of hatred 
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08-26-2007, 02:47 PM
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It was a stretch when it was originally said and it is a stretch now. A massive one.
We live in a time when the very worst sin a man can commit is preach standards; legalism has been set up as the ultimate monster, worse even than gross sexual perversion.
Tell me, you guys on the other side of this issue...would you rather see your son going to an Ultra-Con church, or being a homosexual?
That ought to make it a little easier to dial in on.
A lot of things are fun to theorize about.
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08-26-2007, 02:53 PM
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Go Dodgers!
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Originally Posted by tv1a
Why does the word homosexual scare the snot out of us while we accept the word legalism as a term of endearment?
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Nobody here used the word Legalism as a term of endearment. IN fact they are all denying they are legalists...apparently they don't like the term
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Apostolic is defined on AFF as:
- There is One God. This one God reveals Himself distinctly as Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
- The Son is God himself in a human form or "God manifested in the flesh" (1Tim 3:16)
- Every sinner must repent of their sins.
- That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
- That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
- The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.
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08-26-2007, 02:55 PM
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Maybe we should start a thread and make comparisons between homosexuals and liberals?
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Let it be understood that Apostolic Friends Forum is an Apostolic Forum.
Apostolic is defined on AFF as:
- There is One God. This one God reveals Himself distinctly as Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
- The Son is God himself in a human form or "God manifested in the flesh" (1Tim 3:16)
- Every sinner must repent of their sins.
- That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
- That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
- The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.
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08-26-2007, 02:55 PM
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I'll pass on the bananna. I can't stand them. If you have grapefruit however.. lol
I don't know if you closely read the post I was referring to that stated legalists can be taught. That was response to that quote.
Again it is a personal observation that the best legalists make the best homosexuals. Some may remember the situation my family went through a couple years back. I care not rehash or open up old wounds. Needless to say it wasn't too much of a stretch to go from legalism to homosexuality.
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Holding fast to old truths strictly can still be done with all power, spirit, and righteousness.
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A huge AMEN from me. But that's not the point. There is truth and there is opinion. We need to get back to the place where we can differentiate between the two.
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Originally Posted by OP_Carl
Dare we question what it is, in your opinion, legalists ought to be taught?
An excellent decision.
"make" = transform into, or "make" = raise up? If you're talking about people who are shallow and completely devoid of understanding beyond their clothesline, I can see your point. The facts on the ground are not usually as stark as they are painted to be when aspersions are cast. Holding fast to old truths strictly can still be done with all power, spirit, and righteousness.
Although we could compare your similarities to his, the comparison alone won't make you a Darwinian relative of a chimpanzee. Here, have another banana. |
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A religious spirit allows people to tolerate hatred and anger under the guise of passion and holiness. Bill Johnson
Legalism has no pity on people. Legalism makes my opinion your burden, makes opinion your boundary, makes my opinion your obligation-Lucado
Some get spiritual because they see the light. Others because they feel the heat.Ray Wylie Hubbard
Definition of legalism- Damned if you do. Damned if you don't. TV
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08-26-2007, 02:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Amos
It was a stretch when it was originally said and it is a stretch now. A massive one.
We live in a time when the very worst sin a man can commit is preach standards; legalism has been set up as the ultimate monster, worse even than gross sexual perversion.
Tell me, you guys on the other side of this issue...would you rather see your son going to an Ultra-Con church, or being a homosexual?
That ought to make it a little easier to dial in on.
A lot of things are fun to theorize about.
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Why would a person choose either one? Legalism and homsexuality are equally monstrous.
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