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Old 08-03-2007, 08:11 AM
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I love the heart of a true shepherd...

Ninety and nine were safe in the fold
ninety and nine though the night stormy and cold
then said the shepherd while counting them o'er
One sheep is missing, there should be one more

I forget the rest of the words, but the shepherd left the 99 that were safe in the fold and went through the stormy night looking for that one lost sheep.

How shall I ever forget the painting of the sheep stranded on the side of a dangerous ledge, ready to fall into a deep canyon as the shepherd, holding on to a fragile bush with the hook of his staff stretches as far as he can to reach the wandering sheep.

In the church, we do not need an INDEPENDENT spirit.
I definitely think you missed the entire point of the message...

Here it is...

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I believe his message was directed at the ones that continue to hold on to past hurts to the point that it cripples them.

His message was to "let it go" so that you can move on.
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Old 08-03-2007, 08:11 AM
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I believe his message was directed at the ones that continue to hold on to past hurts to the point that it cripples them.

His message was to "let it go" so that you can move on.
Exactly Renda. And he's saying to quit trying to "make" something happen. Let go and let God.
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Old 08-03-2007, 08:11 AM
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Yes, I believe you are mistaken.


What would you have one do if their spouse says "I'm leaving"? Beg them to stay? Grovel? Beat themselves with chains and plead for mercy?

Sorry... I didn't do that. I let her go. I will hold no one hostage.

If she refused to listen to God and stay and try and work things out, then how loud does my voice have to be for her to hear me? Bottom line is she wouldn't.


All we can do is let them go.
That is not what I'm talking about.

I'm talking about those "I can do without you," games. It is destructive to marriages.

Sometimes, one must humble themselves to save what was once a love relationship and for the sake of a marriage.

But, don't get me started on this. I'm not a marriage counselor. I'll leave that to Rhoni and Keith.
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Old 08-03-2007, 08:13 AM
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I definitely think you missed the entire point of the message...

Here it is...
Possibly.

But if I did, it was too easily missed.

I HATE an independent spirit, especially in marriages and in the house of God. But in just everyday relationships of neighbors and business, those things ebb and flow without any thought. Those relationships come and go without much care or concern. So, then why a whole sermon built upon those kind of fickle relationships. I'm sure that I don't understand what Jakes is driving at.
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Old 08-03-2007, 08:13 AM
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Bishop Jakes never said "Let them go" ... but to "Let it go" ... whatever is separating us from communing w/ God and our brethren ...

I agree w/ Ronzo in that if our partner has decided to walk ... what can one do ...?

One must let go of the unhealthy feelings and bitterness that result from our failed interactions w/ others and/or our personal failures ... or IT can consume us AND will not allow the good shepherd to lead us ....
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Old 08-03-2007, 08:19 AM
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Bishop Jakes never said "Let them go" ... but to "Let it go" ... whatever is separating us from communing w/ God and our brethren ...

I agree w/ Ronzo in that if our partner has decided to walk ... what can one do ...?

One must let go of the unhealthy feelings and bitterness that result from our failed interactions w/ others and/or our personal failures ... or IT can consume us AND will not the good shepherd lead us ....
Once again, my l'll buddy has scored a home run.

I can agree with that.

But, if our partner decides to walk, it can be made clear to him/her that he/she will walk out over a broken, bruised and bleeding heart that cares, loves and committed to him/her forever.
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Old 08-03-2007, 08:20 AM
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Elder Strange,

I think that Bishop Jakes might be advocating your concern ... how many marriages are crippled because a spouse will not "let go" ... of something in their own past, an addiction, depression, failure, insecurity, anger, bitterness, etc.
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Old 08-03-2007, 08:23 AM
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But if I did, it was too easily missed.
If I caught, it can't be easily missed, my friend.


Actually I think you simply saw it from a different perspective...
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Old 08-03-2007, 08:25 AM
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Once again, my l'll buddy has scored a home run.
Is it a solo job? How many RBI? Did Big Papi hit another walk off?

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Old 08-03-2007, 08:26 AM
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Once again, my l'll buddy has scored a home run.

I can agree with that.

But, if our partner decides to walk, it can be made clear to him/her that he/she will walk out over a broken, bruised and bleeding heart that cares, loves and committed to him/her forever.
those are good thoughts my brother, i know about that, did it, didnt work had to let it go and move on, god is good, dt
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