Mental Health Screening, You May Be Next

[Rhoni]

Originally Posted by RandyWayne

Qualified COUNSELORS are a good thing to have in certain situations that come up.

When my wife's mom died 15 years ago, she was attending bible college in Springfield, MO. She was allowed three days to leave to attend the funeral than was expected back, ready to go. Their idea of "counseling" was praying at the alter. And if you needed a bit more, why then you simply needed to pray more. Then she was actually reprimanded for skipping some classes during the next week.....

She didn't stay.

Needless to say I have known many pastors and elders who are distinctly NOT qualified to help anyone who is truly hurting other than to maybe pray for them in silence while someone ELSE did the counseling. We recently left a church because the then-new pastor had completely crazy idea's about marital relations. It makes my skin crawl to think about him actually "counseling" soon-to-be-wed couples!

Exactly.

I have been fortunate to know many Pastors who realize that are not equipped to counsel on anything other than spiritual matters. Unlike Chan likes to about, not all psychological teaching, principles are used by professional Christian Counselors, although some are and actully fall in line with Biblical principles..actually the truth belonged to God first and the world coppied it.

Pastors, if they are truthful...have their plate full with praying, studying, and meeting the spiritual health of their congregation and the mental health should be left up to praying, trained qualified counselors.

Blessings, Rhoni

[Rhoni]

BTW, I think all our governmental leaders, school teachers, counselors, and church leadership and saints used in helping ministries should have a full psychological evaluation as well as a criminal history report.

[Digging4Truth]

Originally Posted by Rhoni

BTW, I think all our governmental leaders, school teachers, counselors, and church leadership and saints used in helping ministries should have a full psychological evaluation as well as a criminal history report.

Mandatory?

[RandyWayne]

Sometimes it is a particular sin committed by the mother while pregnant, such as engaging in a lifestyle of drunkenness and of getting high on illicit drugs, that results in a particular child being born with Down Syndrome.

Drugs and alcohol can cause problems but the only known cause of Downs Syndrome is age of the egg.

Which tells me only that there's nothing wrong with having and expressing emotions.

That is exact WRONG lesson to be learned. Jesus COULD have said "stop your crying" and raised him from the dead instantly, but instead he took time to grieve with them thus letting them know THEY were allowed to as well. One of the most basic tenants of good counseling.

Well, you really didn't give enough information for me to say what exactly I would tell her but I can tell you that there is no place for wallowing in self-pity (feeling sorry for yourself). More often than not, the real reason we feel what we feel when someone dies is because WE will no longer have that person in OUR lives and not because the person has died.

Self-pity huh?

I guess this is where I stop casting logic and reason before swine.

I can truly understand talking to "some" people why the only men Jesus ever truly got angry at were the self-righteous religious leaders.
(and yet He forgave THEM too.....)

Originally Posted by Digging4Truth

Mandatory?

Her views are an example of how wicked worldly philosophies and worldviews have crept into the Church. It's very disturbing that she would claim that men that God called to shephered God's flock are not qualified to counsel God's flock - even though the Bible says that God has given us everything pertaining to life and godliness (2 Peter 1:3). It is equally disturbing when someone who names the name of Christ insists that we have to look to wicked worldly philosophies for our answers instead of relying on the wisdom of God and His word.


Psychologist Roger Mills, in his 1980 article, "Psychology Goes Insane, Botches Role as Science," says:

"The field of psychology today is literally a mess. There are as many techniques, methods and theories around as there are researchers and therapists. I have personally seen therapists convince their clients that all of their problems come from their mothers, the stars, their bio-chemical make-up, their diet, their life-style and even the "kharma" from their past lives."

The actual foundations of psychotherapy are not science, but rather various philosophical world views, especially those of determinism, secular humanism, behaviorism, existentialism, and even evolutionism. World-renowned research psychiatrist E. Fuller Torrey is very blunt when he says:

"The techniques used by Western psychiatrists are, with few exceptions, on exactly the same scientific plane as the techniques used by witch doctors."

For some interesting reading...http://www.psychoheresy-aware.org/freudl36.html

She (and RandyWayne and others) really expects us to put our trust in that???

Originally Posted by RandyWayne

That is exact WRONG lesson to be learned. Jesus COULD have said "stop your crying" and raised him from the dead instantly, but instead he took time to grieve with them thus letting them know THEY were allowed to as well. One of the most basic tenants of good counseling.

Excuse me???? Learning that it's okay to grieve (an expression of emotion) is a wrong lesson to learn???? Oh, and by the way, Jesus did essentially tell the mourners at the house where the young girl had died to stop crying. Notice their reaction to Him when He said to them "she isn't dead as you suppose." And then He went into the house and raised her from the dead.

Self-pity huh?

Yes. As I said, more often than not the reason we grieve the death of a loved one is not because that person died but because we will no longer have that person in our lives. The person's death is a loss to those of us who are still living.

I guess this is where I stop casting logic and reason before swine.

If you'd stop responding to posts based on your adherence to 21st century American cultural values instead of actually reading what people post without your worldly notions you'd see that I'm right. Do you really think that people are grieving because the person who died has physically and mentally ceased to function? Isn't the death of a loved one described as a loss to those who are still living? Do we not say to the survivors things like "I'm sorry for your loss?"

I can truly understand talking to "some" people why the only men Jesus ever truly got angry at were the self-righteous religious leaders.
(and yet He forgave THEM too.....)

And I can see by reading "some" people's posts why Jesus is going to say to so many "depart from me, you workers of iniquity."