Paul The Murderer

[HappyJ]

Originally Posted by votivesoul

Apart from all this, whatever Paul did pre-conversion matters not. He wasn't a child of God until born from above by the Holy Spirit through the death, burial, resurrection, and ascension of Christ Jesus.

John 8:44
Ye are of your father the devil,
and the lusts of your father ye will do.

How can a child of the devil
whose father is the devil
become a child of God
whose Father is God?

Explain it to me?

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by HappyJ

John 19:11
Jesus answered,
Thou couldest have no power at all against me,
except it were given thee from above:
therefore he that delivered me unto thee hath the greater sin.

What does that have to do with Paul?

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by HappyJ

John 8:44
Ye are of your father the devil,
and the lusts of your father ye will do.

How can a child of the devil
whose father is the devil
become a child of God
whose Father is God?

Explain it to me?

By repenting and being born again.

[HappyJ]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

By repenting and being born again.

A child of the devil can be born again as a child of God?

Did the devil tell you this?

[votivesoul]

Originally Posted by HappyJ

John 8:44
Ye are of your father the devil,
and the lusts of your father ye will do.

How can a child of the devil
whose father is the devil
become a child of God
whose Father is God?

Explain it to me?

The ransom paid by Christ on the cross can redeem a fallen sinner by satisfying the sin debt held over the fallen sinner by the devil. As the Spirit draws a fallen sinner to the Father, and as that fallen sinner begins to believe in Jesus and the Gospel, God gives grace and forgives the sin debt through and because of, the blood atonement made by His Holy Son.

When this happens, God frees a child of the devil from their bondage to him, and willingly adopts that former, but now ransomed child of the devil, by and with the Holy Spirit. In so doing, God becomes their Father, and they, in turn, through adoption, become children of God.

[thephnxman]

Listen up, guys

First: the spiritual and natural realms don't mix;

Second: they each must follow common laws because the laws are
made/governed by the same Lawmaker;

Third: spiritual laws do not contradict spiritual laws, neither do the
natural laws contradict each other.

Example of Natural Realm:
A child begotten by Mr. A cannot be begotten again by Mr. B.
Now Mr. B can raise the child as his own, but the child will still
have the same DNA as Mr. A. Furthermore, there is no consent
involved by the child who is begotten.
The spiritual realm follows the same basic pattern as the natural.

Example of Spiritual Realm:
A person begotten by a [natural] father cannot be begotten in the
[spirit] without his consent. However, a person can consent who
will be the spiritual father will. As long as there is no consent, the
person will remain a SLAVE to whom he obeys! He will ultimately
be a child to whom he gives his consent.

Read the Bible, folks!

[HappyJ]

Originally Posted by votivesoul

The ransom paid by Christ on the cross can redeem a fallen sinner by satisfying the sin debt held over the fallen sinner by the devil. As the Spirit draws a fallen sinner to the Father, and as that fallen sinner begins to believe in Jesus and the Gospel, God gives grace and forgives the sin debt through and because of, the blood atonement made by His Holy Sin.

When this happens, God frees a child of the devil from their bondage to him, and willingly adopts that former, but now ransomed child of the devil, by and with the Holy Spirit. In so doing, God becomes their Father, and they, in turn, through adoption, become children of God.

1 Corinthians
Chapter 9

22 To the weak became I as weak,
that I might gain the weak:
I am made all things to all men,
that I might by all means save some.

How many men did Paul save?

[shazeep]

some?

[HappyJ]

Originally Posted by shazeep

some?

You believe that Paul saved the souls of men?

[TJJJ]

Bert, are you stupid, Yes or no?