We are not baptized with the holy ghost and fire

[mfblume]

The fire is the judgment of God where the burning occurs in antithesis to the Spirit baptism which is positive.

[NorCal]

Originally Posted by Sam

There are different opinions among Christians on this.

1. Some believe a baptism of fire is a second work of the Holy Spirit after regeneration in which the "old nature" is burned out. This is called sanctification. Then, the HGB or Holy Ghost Baptism is a third work following sanctification. You will hear someone testify that they are saved, sanctified and filled with the Holy Ghost.

2. Some believe John was preaching and offering two alternatives to the people. Either submit to the Lord and let Him baptize you in/with the Holy Spirit or later He will baptize you in/with fire He will plunge you into the lake of fire).

3. Some believe a baptism in fire is a baptism/soaking/overwhelming with trials --fiery trials-- to purge and purify.

4. Some believe fire is just symbolic of how the Holy Spirit works i.e. fire can purify, heat, give light, protect, etc.

1) No arguments there. Weither all at once, or one step at a time.
2) I don't see how John was giving an alternative. He will baptize you with the Holy Ghost AND WITH fire. Not Holy Ghost or Fire.
3) The Holy Ghost does test and try us.
4) Hmm, perfect example of how the Holy Ghost Fire works!

[kingdomapostle]

Originally Posted by Sam

There are different opinions among Christians on this.

1. Some believe a baptism of fire is a second work of the Holy Spirit after regeneration in which the "old nature" is burned out. This is called sanctification. Then, the HGB or Holy Ghost Baptism is a third work following sanctification. You will hear someone testify that they are saved, sanctified and filled with the Holy Ghost.

2. Some believe John was preaching and offering two alternatives to the people. Either submit to the Lord and let Him baptize you in/with the Holy Spirit or later He will baptize you in/with fire He will plunge you into the lake of fire).3. Some believe a baptism in fire is a baptism/soaking/overwhelming with trials --fiery trials-- to purge and purify.

4. Some believe fire is just symbolic of how the Holy Spirit works i.e. fire can purify, heat, give light, protect, etc.

First time hearing that perspective. I'll add it to my collection of commentary. However, I believe I've been baptized with the fire of the Holy Ghost.

[mfblume]

Have not read all the posts, but if this is not already noted the text itself shows judgment for some and Holy Ghost for others. Not fire and Spirit for the same group.

Mat 3:10-12 KJV And now also the axe is laid unto the root of the trees: therefore every tree which bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire. (11) I indeed baptize you with water unto repentance: but he that cometh after me is mightier than I, whose shoes I am not worthy to bear: he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost, and with fire: (12) Whose fan is in his hand, and he will throughly purge his floor, and gather his wheat into the garner; but he will burn up the chaff with unquenchable fire.

[kingdomapostle]

That's what some say.

[kingdomapostle]

So do you further conclude like the author of the article- that the Holy Ghost is NOT fire?

[Sam]

I remember the words from a song we used to sing years ago:


"...It's like fire shut up in my boned
It's like honey right out of the comb,
It's the Holy Ghost that Jesus is giving away....."

[kingdomapostle]

SO MANY SONGS I could quote but a few are:

FIRE FIRE FIRE, FIRE FALL ON ME
ON THE DAY OF PENTECOST, FIRE FALL ON ME
(JAMACIAN SONG I HEARD)

JUST LIKE FIIIIIIIIIRE (SHUT UP IN MY BONES) 3X
HOLY GHOST FIRE, SHUT UP IN MY BONES!

BUT LINDA GIBSON COMES TO MIND

HOLY GHOST AND FIRE,
UPPER ROOM POWER
FELL UPON ME, SPOKE IN TONGUES
GOT IN MY MOUTH AND IT DIDNT TAKE LONG
IT WENT FROM MY HEAD TO THE SOLE OF MY FEET
ALL IN MY SOUL AND ITS ALL OVER ME

[Hoovie]

If it is not talking about the fire which occured at Pentecost, then why the fire on their heads? The bigger question for me is why does this not occur today? Would it be any more miraculous than speaking in "other tongues"? I think so, and it would actually be irrefutable evidence.

[kingdomapostle]

Originally Posted by Hoovie

If it is not talking about the fire which occured at Pentecost, then why the fire on their heads? The bigger question for me is why does this not occur today? Would it be any more miraculous than speaking in other languages?

AGREED