Public sector unions are grossly over payed ,why should teachers have tenure,the rest of us can be fired why not them?Why should public works employees(dot) in my state be able to retire with 3500.00 a month?Why should people be paid 12 and 14 an hour plus bennies, to mow grass on the side of our states interstate?, oh and they have tractors with ac and stereos too.Then we have the toll takers who get obscene wages and ridiculous retirement packages ,as far as im concerned the only ones who deserve high wages are the police in the larger cities who actually risk their lives to earn their money.In our state the university professors all get minimums of 100,000 and they rarely show up, the teaching is done by the assistant professor, who gets in the 40 neighborhood And we wonder why our public sector retirement funds arent viable when they have 81 million in reserves like Wisconsin?
It may be a done deal in some's opinions, but not by the law, it was done illegally by one one the republicans there. When the American people's rights are taken away from them, they will rise up. They may not can do anything now but protest, but when the next election comes, I wonder how many of those teachers, firemen and other union workers that voted republican, will do the it again. The LIGHT is really being shown on the darkness of the republicans. Really this is only helping the re-election of President Obama. All those northern states that is doing what the Wisconsin governor did, will probably go democrat in 2012.
I am understanding that previous cases had limited the scope of what counts as "fiscal" and that the WI Attorney General's opinion, on another collective bargaining measure, was that it was not a fiscal measure. Putting it simply, a quorum is required if it involves "fiscal" bills. If that is true, they didn't violate their Constitution on the Open Meetings Law.
Or another way of putting it - A quorum is required when the legislation involves taxing, spending or borrowing. Wisconsin won't have to raise taxes, lower taxes, spend money or borrow money in order to limit collective bargaining rights, therefore, no quorum is required.
It may be a done deal in some's opinions, but not by the law, it was done illegally by one one the republicans there. When the American people's rights are taken away from them, they will rise up. They may not can do anything now but protest, but when the next election comes, I wonder how many of those teachers, firemen and other union workers that voted republican, will do the it again. The LIGHT is really being shown on the darkness of the republicans. Really this is only helping the re-election of President Obama. All those northern states that is doing what the Wisconsin governor did, will probably go democrat in 2012.
Seascapes, the American people DID rise up because thier rights had been taken away from them.
that is what this vote was about.
You tell me what is RIGHT about forcing someone to belong to a union against their will and forcing them to pay that union dues they dont want to pay and then using those dues to buy politicians the individual doesnt like?
TELL ME
WHAT RIGHT in the constitution gives us the "RIGHT" to be violated like that??????
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Breaking: Without Democrats Present, Wisconsin Senate Voting on Largely-Intact Budget Repair Bill (UPDATED)
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"The legislation being voted on tonight has few changes from the bill as initially proposed. The bill removes a refinancing provision and doesn't count savings during this fiscal year accrued by requiring public employees to pay more for their pensions and health insurance.* But it would still save the state $300 million over the next two years by requiring state employees to contribute about 5% of income toward their pensions and by requiring state workers to pay for about 12% of their health insurance premiums. It would also save $1.44 billion by requiring public employees in school districts and municipalities to pay 5% of their salaries toward their pensions and by removing collective bargaining for benefits, thus giving school districts and municipalities the option of requiring their employees to pay about 12% for their health insurance premiums."
""We are not splitting the bill. It's an an amended bill," says one source, who explains that the state's non-partisan Legislative Fiscal Bureau has said that such a vote could take place without a three-fifths quorum required for some fiscal bills. "It still has a fiscal impact, but doesn't appropriate money," which is why the senate can vote on the bill with a simple majority present. "All the collective bargaining and everything else is the same as the original bill.""
Why I'm Fighting in Wisconsin
Scott Walker
March 10,2011
In 2010, Megan Sampson was named an Outstanding First Year Teacher in Wisconsin. A week later, she got a layoff notice from the Milwaukee Public Schools. Why would one of the best new teachers in the state be one of the first let go? Because her collective-bargaining contract requires staffing decisions to be made based on seniority.
Morning Bell: Bravery and Common Sense Prevail in Wisconsin
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When security escorted the Senators to another building, a Democrat tipped off the mob, which then surrounded their cars and tried to break their windows as Senators returned home.
Senate Democrats, who are still hiding in Illinois, are now claiming that the majority’s committee meeting that broke up the budget-repair bill violated Wisconsin’s Open Meetings Law. But the Open Meeting Compliance Guide clearly states that when there is “good cause,” only two hours’ notice is required. The Senate majority did provide the two hours’ notice. If the Senate Democrats’ 19-day refusal to show up for work wasn’t “good cause” enough, certainly minimizing the opportunity for union mob violence is.
Let's examine this issue for a moment. What are the reasons an employer might lay off a more experienced employee in place of a less experienced employee? I can only really think of one reason: "Because the less experienced employee is cheaper to keep on than the more experienced employee".
So would it be right for a more experienced employee to be laid off in place of a less experienced one? I don't think so.
So now the only argument you have left is that all the employees wages/compensation needed to be cut so no one would get laid off. No one was against wages and compensation being cut. Oops, there goes that argument...
Last, I find it interesting that the governor didn't target the police or firefighter unions. What do you all say about that inconsistency? Do yall think those unions collective bargaining rights should have been taken away also?
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Let's examine this issue for a moment. What are the reasons an employer might lay off a more experienced employee in place of a less experienced employee? I can only really think of one reason: "Because the less experienced employee is cheaper to keep on than the more experienced employee".
So would it be right for a more experienced employee to be laid off in place of a less experienced one? I don't think so.
So now the only argument you have left is that all the employees wages/compensation needed to be cut so no one would get laid off. No one was against wages and compensation being cut. Oops, there goes that argument...
Last, I find it interesting that the governor didn't target the police or firefighter unions. What do you all say about that inconsistency? Do yall think those unions collective bargaining rights should have been taken away also?
Tenure and experience doesn't always make someone good. Loving what you do makes you good. We should always gauge by performance and not tenure.
The police and firefighters lay down their lives for us. Different story than a teacher.
I think the two hours notice might come back and bite them in the rears.
If Walker turns things around like Mitch Daniels did for his state, it probably won't. We will have to see.
Gov. Mitch Daniels suspended collective bargaining by executive order his first day on the job six years ago to deal with a budget crises. His popularity dropped but then recovered after he established some control over the state's budget. He saved a lot of money through the reduction of red tape.
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