Great post Ferd. You know, I think it would be safe to say, for all practical purposes, the Democrats and Republicans (both I guess) have already (over the years) "done away" with SS or at least done away with it's ability to work as it should.
If they want to "bail out" something why don't they bail out social security. That would be a great "stimulus" program.
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Great post Ferd. You know, I think it would be safe to say, for all practical purposes, the Democrats and Republicans (both I guess) have already (over the years) "done away" with SS or at least done away with it's ability to work as it should.
If they want to "bail out" something why don't they bail out social security. That would be a great "stimulus" program.
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so long as SS funds are not in individual accounts controled by each tax payer, the politicians will be able to use our retirement money to buy votes.
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Ferd said, "In another thread, Seascapes suggested that Republicans wanted “to do away with social security”. She then used a word that no right thinking democrat should ever say except when talking really really bad about republicans… She used the P word! Really PRIVITIZE. In the first place Seascapes was wrong. Republicans don’t want to “do away” with SS."
Ferd, I don't believe that I AM wrong, it is the TRUTH as time will tell.
CBS News in Aug. 2010 stated.......A proposal by Rep. Paul Ryan, the top Republican on the House of Representatives Budget Committee, that would allow younger people to put Social Security money into personal accounts. Ryan's idea is similar to a proposal pushed unsuccessfully by former President George W. Bush.
After their attempt to privatize Social Security in 2005 was met with widespread public outcry, the GOP’s strategy on Social Security has been two-fold. First, Republicans deny they are interested in privatization. Rep. Kevin McCarthy (R-CA) recently told the Wall Street Journal that “no one has a proposal up to cut Social Security,” (his own book proposes doing so), while conservatives in the media have tried to argue that Republicans don’t actually want to privatize Social Security.
The second tactic has been to obfuscate their privatization plans by sugarcoating them in flowery, palatable language. President Bush’s privatization plan is a prime example. In his 2005 State of the Union, President Bush said we needed to “save” Social Security and give younger workers a “better deal” by having “voluntary personal retirement accounts,” the poll-tested language for privatization. Bush now says his greatest failure was not privatizing Social Security.
However, such rhetoric belies their record. A thorough review of the voting records and statements of Republicans in Congress reveals a critical mass of GOPers who have supported privatizing Social Security. In total, 47 percent of House Republicans and 49 percent of Senate Republicans are on record supporting the privatization of Social Security. Some, including Rep. Michele Bachmann (R-MN), want to go even further and “wean everybody” off of Social Security altogether.
Republicans in Congress have long operated by the “majority of the majority” principle, whereby legislation is only advanced by a GOP Speaker if it is supported by a majority of Republicans.
Here are the 104 Republicans in Congress who support privatizing Social Security
Senate (20)
Jeff Sessions (AL)
Richard Shelby (AL)
Jon Kyl (AZ)
John McCain (AZ)
Saxby Chambliss (GA)
Chuck Grassley (IA)
Richard Lugar (IN)
Pat Roberts (KS)
Sam Brownback (KS)
Mitch McConnell (KY)
Roger Wicker (MS)
Thad Cochran (MS)
Judd Gregg (NH)
James Inhofe (OK)
Tom Coburn (OK)
Jim DeMint (SC)
Kay Bailey Hutchison (TX)
Bob Bennett (UT)
Orrin Hatch (UT)
Mike Enzi (WY)
House of Representatives (84)
Jo Bonner (AL-01) Spencer Bachus (AL-06) Trent Franks (AZ-02)
Wally Herger (CA-02) Dan Lungren (CA-03) Devin Nunes (CA-21)
David Dreier (CA-26) Jerry Lewis (CA-41) Ken Calvert (CA-44)
Dana Rohrabacher (CA-46) John Campbell (CA-48) Darrell Issa (CA-49)
Duncan Hunter (CA-52) Doug Lamborn (CO-05) Jeff Miller (FL-01)
Ander Crenshaw (FL-04) Ginny Brown-Waite (FL-05) Cliff Stearns (FL-06)
Adam Putnam (FL-12) Connie Mack (FL-14) Ileana Ros-Lehtinen (FL-18)
Mario Diaz-Balart (FL-25) Jack Kingston (GA-01) Lynn Westmoreland (GA-03)
Tom Price (GA-06) John Linder (GA-07) Phil Gingrey (GA-11)
Tom Latham (IA-04) Steve King (IA-05) Judy Biggert (IL-13)
John Shimkus (IL-19) Dan Burton (IN-05) Mike Pence (IN-06)
Rodney Alexander (LA-05) Roscoe Bartlett (MD-06) Pete Hoekstra (MI-02)
Vern Ehlers (MI-03) David Lee Camp (MI-04) John Kline (MN-02)
Erik Paulsen* (MN-03) Todd Akin (MO-02) Roy Blunt (MO-07)
Virginia Foxx (NC-05) Howard Coble (NC-06) Sue Myrick (NC-09)
Patrick McHenry (NC-10) Jeff Fortenberry (NE-01) Lee Terry (NE-02)
Scott Garrett (NJ-05) Peter King (NY-03) John Boehner (OH-08)
John Sullivan (OK-01) Tom Cole (OK-04) Jim Gerlach* (PA-06)
Bill Shuster (PA-09) Joseph Pitts (PA-16) Joe Wilson (SC-02)
Gresham Barrett (SC-03) Bob Inglis (SC-04) Zach Wamp (TN-03)
Marsha Blackburn (TN-07) Louie Gohmert (TX-01) Sam Johnson (TX-03)
Jeb Hensarling (TX-05) Joe Barton (TX-06) Kevin Brady (TX-08)
Michael McCaul (TX-10) Mike Conaway (TX-11) Mac Thornberry (TX-13)
Ron Paul (TX-14) Randy Neugebauer (TX-19) Kenny Marchant (TX-24)
Michael Burgess (TX-26) John Carter (TX-31) Pete Sessions (TX-32)
Rob Bishop (UT-01) Jason Chaffetz (UT-03) Eric Cantor (VA-07)
Doc Hastings (WA-04) Dave Reichert (WA-08) Paul Ryan (WI-01)
Tom Petri (WI-06) Shelley Moore Capito (WV-02) Cynthia Lummis (WY-AL)
Ferd said, "In another thread, Seascapes suggested that Republicans wanted “to do away with social security”. She then used a word that no right thinking democrat should ever say except when talking really really bad about republicans… She used the P word! Really PRIVITIZE. In the first place Seascapes was wrong. Republicans don’t want to “do away” with SS."
Ferd, I don't believe that I AM wrong, it is the TRUTH as time will tell.
CBS News in Aug. 2010 stated.......A proposal by Rep. Paul Ryan, the top Republican on the House of Representatives Budget Committee, that would allow younger people to put Social Security money into personal accounts. Ryan's idea is similar to a proposal pushed unsuccessfully by former President George W. Bush.
After their attempt to privatize Social Security in 2005 was met with widespread public outcry, the GOP’s strategy on Social Security has been two-fold. First, Republicans deny they are interested in privatization. Rep. Kevin McCarthy (R-CA) recently told the Wall Street Journal that “no one has a proposal up to cut Social Security,” (his own book proposes doing so), while conservatives in the media have tried to argue that Republicans don’t actually want to privatize Social Security.
The second tactic has been to obfuscate their privatization plans by sugarcoating them in flowery, palatable language. President Bush’s privatization plan is a prime example. In his 2005 State of the Union, President Bush said we needed to “save” Social Security and give younger workers a “better deal” by having “voluntary personal retirement accounts,” the poll-tested language for privatization. Bush now says his greatest failure was not privatizing Social Security.
However, such rhetoric belies their record. A thorough review of the voting records and statements of Republicans in Congress reveals a critical mass of GOPers who have supported privatizing Social Security. In total, 47 percent of House Republicans and 49 percent of Senate Republicans are on record supporting the privatization of Social Security. Some, including Rep. Michele Bachmann (R-MN), want to go even further and “wean everybody” off of Social Security altogether.
Republicans in Congress have long operated by the “majority of the majority” principle, whereby legislation is only advanced by a GOP Speaker if it is supported by a majority of Republicans.
Seascapes, thanks for replying... I dont think you read the whole thing.
I said you were wrong with the term "do away with" SS.
I did not say you were wrong when you used the "P" word.
WE DO WANT TO PRIVIATIZE.... Its a good thing...
that doesnt mean "do away with"
It does mean, remove control of the dollars from the goverment.
it does mean take away the vested interest the government has in our deaths...
please read on! you might find "Privitize" is not such a dirty word after all....
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If anyone touches a dime of my 401k, you will see my name in the news... just sayin'.
It's coming soon. Another reason my husband took an early retirement.
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Yeah, that's my issue with the liberal democrat mentality... even though I put a SIGNIFICANT amount of my income (which I could have spent on nicer cars, or tennis shoes, or televisions, etc.) into my retirement account... they will want to spread what I have saved around to people who didn't bother to save. It's like the "Ant and the Grasshopper" story all over again.
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