I also have seen and totally agree with your comments here:
And how cool that I have visited Bro. Condrey's church during that same time, as my sister was given a Bible study by them. Very kind people! You were probably in the congregation when we visited!
I was the 5'8" dark hot Italian looking guy --- you wouldn't have missed me
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And to be forthright, alot of these so-called "wrecked" wrecked themselves and the UPC is an easy blame agent.
I am not a member of the UPC, they probably wouldn't take me if I applied. And I probably wouldn't accept if they offered. There are a few doctrinal areas where we just aren't on the same page.
I just think bashing them is wrong, because when you bash the losers worthy of it withing the group, you bash the good people who are doing exploits for God in that group... and there are many
I guess my view is that when you bash those who speak of abuse as having wrecked themselves, you are probably just as guilty of those bashing the UPCI.
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John Said " I love the UPCI... here is why" and this isn't a joke.
What are you having trouble following? and why are you following it?
So many people on this forum that are exceedingly quick to pull out a sword in defense of the UPCI, even when it's not necessary... and I've seen it on posts when the UPCI wasn't even the subject at hand.
I have no problem with your love fest. As you were. I'll even help write you a song if you'd like.
I love the UPC too! I received the Holyghost in a wonderful UPC church......although I'm no longer "affiliated." Great people, great churches, great pastors.
No organization is 100% perfect, we all know that......there are always a handful of loose cannons.
I love the UPC too! I received the Holyghost in a wonderful UPC church......although I'm no longer "affiliated." Great people, great churches, great pastors.
No organization is 100% perfect, we all know that......there are always a handful of loose cannons.
Who are you affiliated with now?
I love and appreciate the PEOPLE in my past that were affiliated with the movement/organization/fellowship called the UPCI -- these people helped me get started in this whole Jesus following thing (though the UPCI did not give me the Spirit). I also now look at the movement/organization/fellowship and see that it's in heresy in many areas, misguided and even though it has done positive things, I believe it is selling people short, and a stumbling block to countless others who may have lost out.
(There, I figure if we're going to swing the defensive hammer, I may as well give you a reason)
I guess my view is that when you bash those who speak of abuse as having wrecked themselves, you are probably just as guilty of those bashing the UPCI.
No. There be some who have legitimate complaint.
ILG,I checked my rose colored glasses in at the desk. There are UPC abusive pastors, there are even UPC pedophile pastors, this is all documented, I am not defending that
There are also a lot of folks who are way too ready to just blame the UPC. Just as there are those who would blame the catholic priesthood.
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ILG,I checked my rose colored glasses in at the desk. There are UPC abusive pastors, there are even UPC pedophile pastors, this is all documented, I am not defending that
There are also a lot of folks who are way too ready to just blame the UPC. Just as there are those who would blame the catholic priesthood.
Are you ready to explain that each and every time you make a statement such as those who were wrecked in the UPC have wrecked themselves? Should you have to? Or should people kind of figure you meant SOME people in the UPC wrecked themselves. Kind of like SOME UPC pastors are abusive.
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When I was young and clever, I wanted to change the world. Now that I am older and wiser, I strive to change myself. ~
I responded to a thread posted by what I assume to be an agent provocateur and deleted by the powers that be, someone wanting to kick off a fight, but I meant what I said.
I Love the United Pentecostal Church International.
That organization has done a whole lot more to better peoples lives than some of its members have to wreck them.
And to be forthright, alot of these so-called "wrecked" wrecked themselves and the UPC is an easy blame agent.
I am not a member, my only association with the UPCI is that I found God at Bro Condrey's church in Cedar Park in 1987 and attended the UPCI church in Euless TX pastored by Gerald McGaha from 1988-89.
Niether of those two men "abused" me. They did tell me I needed to straighten up, change my life to line up with God's word. That they did. Bro Condrey got downright blunt with it.
I am not a member of the UPC, they probably wouldn't take me if I applied. And I probably wouldn't accept if they offered. There are a few doctrinal areas where we just aren't on the same page.
I just think bashing them is wrong, because when you bash the losers worthy of it withing the group, you bash the good people who are doing exploits for God in that group... and there are many
This is sweet and all that, but let's be fair...you haven't been through what a lot of others have been through.
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