John 8-24 is necessary to be saved

Originally Posted by Praxeas

Please re-read what I just said for a change, I told you WHAT and WHO the Son was and you come back and post that I just told you what and who the Son is not...clearly you are not reading what I post.

The Son has two natures, Deity and Humanity.

Trouble is you deny that the deity of the Son IS the Son,a nd thereby make the Son's deity that of somebody other than the Son. Praxeas will not affirm these three things:

He will not admit that

1. The Son is eternal (as the Son) an eternal Son (John 17:5, 24).
2. He denies that the Son is omnipresent together with the Father (John 14:23)
3. He denies that as th SON the Son is the creator, Praxeas instead belevie that God is the creator and that God late ron becomes (changes into) the Father, Son and Holy Spirit.

Please do prove me wrong, by affirming these three things of the SON.

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Iron_Bladder

Trouble is you deny that the deity of the Son IS the Son,a nd thereby make the Son's deity that of somebody other than the Son. Praxeas will not affirm these three things:

He will not admit that

1. The Son is eternal (as the Son) an eternal Son (John 17:5, 24).
2. He denies that the Son is omnipresent together with the Father (John 14:23)
3. He denies that as th SON the Son is the creator, Praxeas instead belevie that God is the creator and that God late ron becomes (changes into) the Father, Son and Holy Spirit.

Please do prove me wrong, by affirming these three things of the SON.

Good grief. YOu just don't read.

The Son is NOT someone other than God. Get it? The Son is NOT another person from God. The Son and God are the same PERSON. The Son is that God incarnate. Deity AND Humanity hypostatically united.

The SON is BOTH Deity and Humanity. So as to The Son's PERSON and DEITY, HE is God. He is Creator. HE is Eternal, but HE was not always the Son until that Deity and Humanity were united. The Son is NOT just His humanity NOR just His Deity. The Son is that PERSONAL God and Divine nature hypostatically united with a Human nature

Originally Posted by Praxeas

Good grief. YOu just don't read.

The Son is NOT someone other than God. Get it? The Son is NOT another person from God. The Son and God are the same PERSON. The Son is that God incarnate. Deity AND Humanity hypostatically united.

The SON is BOTH Deity and Humanity. So as to The Son's PERSON and DEITY, HE is God. He is Creator. HE is Eternal, but HE was not always the Son until that Deity and Humanity were united. The Son is NOT just His humanity NOR just His Deity. The Son is that PERSONAL God and Divine nature hypostatically united with a Human nature

Actually your misreading my posts, which clearly distuingish between that the Father and the Son. So at John 14:23 the Father and the Son are both Omnipresent, at John 17:5 the Father and the Son (re 'Father' and 'Son' at verse 1) are both eternal and also the possessors of civine glory in eternity; please comment on the distinction between the Father and the Son in each of these verses.

Originally Posted by Iron_Bladder

Actually your misreading my posts, which clearly distuingish between that the Father and the Son. So at John 14:23 the Father and the Son are both Omnipresent, at John 17:5 the Father and the Son (re 'Father' and 'Son' at verse 1) are both eternal and also the possessors of civine glory in eternity; please comment on the distinction between the Father and the Son in each of these verses.

But John 17:5 doesn't say that Jesus is eternal as the Son.

Keep in mind also that, with regard to His divinity, Jesus is "of one essence with the Father," according to the Nicene-Constantinopolitan Creed.

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Iron_Bladder

Actually your misreading my posts, which clearly distuingish between that the Father and the Son. So at John 14:23 the Father and the Son are both Omnipresent, at John 17:5 the Father and the Son (re 'Father' and 'Son' at verse 1) are both eternal and also the possessors of civine glory in eternity; please comment on the distinction between the Father and the Son in each of these verses.

I didn't misread your post, you misread mine. I was not telling you what you believe I was telling you what I believe as a Oneness Person. You keep telling me I believe the Son is SOMEONE OTHER than the Father...that is untrue

Originally Posted by Praxeas

I didn't misread your post, you misread mine. I was not telling you what you believe I was telling you what I believe as a Oneness Person. You keep telling me I believe the Son is SOMEONE OTHER than the Father...that is untrue

Now I am puzzled, are you saying that the Son IS the Father, that must be the case if you deny that the Son is someone other than the Father.

[Michael The Disciple]

Iron Bladder,

How many I AM'S are in this Universe?

[tbpew]

Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

Iron Bladder,

How many I AM'S are in this Universe?

Michael,
Are you asking how many applications of the ego emini (sp?) recorded in the scriptures?

I am to some degree grammatically challenged but I was of the understanding that "ego emini" was a grammatical construction of a 1st person condition not a word that exclusively reveals God's person.

So, with respect to your question, do you believe that there is only one "ego emini" in the scriptural witness and it is exclusively reserved for theos/God?

[Truthseeker]

Originally Posted by Iron_Bladder

Actually I'm a former Oneness Pentecostal and Praxeas has never forgiven me for that!

9 months would hardly even count for being a former oneness pentecostal.

[Michael The Disciple]

Originally Posted by tbpew

Michael,
Are you asking how many applications of the ego emini (sp?) recorded in the scriptures?

I am to some degree grammatically challenged but I was of the understanding that "ego emini" was a grammatical construction of a 1st person condition not a word that exclusively reveals God's person.

So, with respect to your question, do you believe that there is only one "ego emini" in the scriptural witness and it is exclusively reserved for theos/God?

Anyone can say I AM. But it is connected to YHWH in Exodus 3. 13-15.

If anyone else said I am in another context it would be nothing. But if one said it in the context that he had been alive for at least hundreds of years (Before Abraham was) it would certainly be something dramatic and special.

Show me a case in scripture where someone said "I am" in this context and I will cease and desist. Otherwise I understand when Jesus said Before Abraham was I am he meant he was YHWH before Abraham was born.

Now how many I AM'S (claiming to live before Abraham) are in the Universe?