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Old 08-06-2009, 06:35 PM
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Re: Green jobs.

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Obama doesn't seem to care for the elderly. He wants to offer consultation on how they should end it.
Why are you spreading that lie? Do some checking for your self.
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Old 08-06-2009, 07:34 PM
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Re: Green jobs.

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Obama doesn't seem to care for the elderly. He wants to offer consultation on how they should end it.

Why are you spreading that lie? Do some checking for your self.
we did. Lie and deny is all the Barnie drones do.
While yopu lie, I have read the bill and remind you "end of life counseling" is required to be offered paying for a translator if necessary





PG 425 Lines 4-12 Government mandates Advance Care Planning Consult. Think Senior Citizens end of life.

PG 425 Lines 17-19 Government will instruct & consult regarding living wills, durable powers of atty. Mandatory!

PG 425 Lines 22-25, 426 Lines 1-3 Government provides approved list of end of life resources, guiding you in death.

PG 427 Lines 15-24 Government mandates program for orders for end of life. The Government has a say in how your life ends.

PG 429 Lines 1-9 An “advance care planning consultant” will be used frequently as patients health deteriorates.

PG 429 Lines 10-12 “advance care consultation” may include an ORDER for end of life plans. AN ORDER from Government.

PG 429 Lines 13-25 The Government will specify which Doctors can write an end of life order. Logan ’s Run anyone?

PG 430 Lines 11-15 The Government will decide what level of treatment you will have at end of life.
Will Obama drones tell the truth?



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Old 08-08-2009, 11:47 AM
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we did. Lie and deny is all the Barnie drones do.
While yopu lie, I have read the bill and remind you "end of life counseling" is required to be offered paying for a translator if necessary

Notice coadi will use the words Government will mandate several times in the following quotes. These are false statements.
When you read (if you really want the truth) bill you will see that this section is about sustaining life as long as possible, not ending life as coadi says.



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PG 425 Lines 4-12 Government mandates Advance Care Planning Consult. Think Senior Citizens end of life.

PG 425 Lines 17-19 Government will instruct & consult regarding living wills, durable powers of atty. Mandatory!

PG 425 Lines 22-25, 426 Lines 1-3 Government provides approved list of end of life resources, guiding you in death.
All Quotes that have red wording are lies.

Page 425 of the actual bill

1 ‘‘(FF) advance care planning consultation (as
2 defined in subsection (hhh)(1));’’; and
3 (B) by adding at the end the following new
4 subsection:
5 ‘‘Advance Care Planning Consultation
6 ‘‘(hhh)(1) Subject to paragraphs (3) and (4), the
7 term ‘advance care planning consultation’ means a con8
sultation between the individual and a practitioner de9
scribed in paragraph (2) regarding advance care planning,
10 if, subject to paragraph (3), the individual involved has
11 not had such a consultation within the last 5 years. Such
12 consultation shall include the following:
13 ‘‘(A) An explanation by the practitioner of
14advance care planning, including key questions and
15 considerations, important steps, and suggested peo16
ple to talk to.
17 ‘‘(B) An explanation by the practitioner of ad18
vance directives, including living wills and durable
19 powers of attorney, and their uses.
20 ‘‘(C) An explanation by the practitioner of the
21 role and responsibilities of a health care proxy.
22 ‘‘(D) The provision by the practitioner of a list
23 of national and State-specific resources to assist con24
sumers and their families with advance care plan25
ning,


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PG 427 Lines 15-24 Government mandates program for orders for end of life. The Government has a say in how your life ends.
Again all red letters are lies.

PG 427 line 15-24 as it is written without the lies.


15 ‘‘(iii) A program for orders for life sustaining
16 treatment for a States described in this clause is a
17 program that—
18 ‘‘(I) ensures such orders are standardized
19 and uniquely identifiable throughout the State;
20 ‘‘(II) distributes or makes accessible such
21 orders to physicians and other health profes22
sionals that (acting within the scope of the pro23
fessional’s authority under State law) may sign
24 orders for life sustaining treatment;
VerDate Nov


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PG 429 Lines 1-9 An “advance care planning consultant” will be used frequently as patients health deteriorates.

PG 429 Lines 10-12 “advance care consultation” may include an ORDER for end of life plans. AN ORDER from Government.

PG 429 Lines 13-25 The Government will specify which Doctors can write an end of life order. Logan ’s Run anyone?
Again words in red letters are lies.

429 Page 1-25
1 ‘‘(B) An advance care planning consultation with
2 respect to an individual may be conducted more frequently
3 than provided under paragraph (1) if there is a significant
4 change in the health condition of the individual, including
5 diagnosis of a chronic, progressive, life-limiting disease, a
6 life-threatening or terminal diagnosis or life-threatening
7 injury, or upon admission to a skilled nursing facility, a
8 long-term care facility (as defined by the Secretary), or
9 a hospice program.
10 ‘‘(4) A consultation under this subsection may in11
clude the formulation of an order regarding life sustaining
12 treatment or a similar order.
13 ‘‘(5)(A) For purposes of this section, the term ‘order
14 regarding life sustaining treatment’ means, with respect
15 to an individual, an actionable medical order relating to
16 the treatment of that individual that—
17 ‘‘(i) is signed and dated by a physician (as de18
fined in subsection (r)(1)) or another health care
19 professional (as specified by the Secretary and who
20 is acting within the scope of the professional’s au21
thority under State law in signing such an order, in22
cluding a nurse practitioner or physician assistant)
23 and is in a form that permits it to stay with the in24
dividual and be followed by health care professionals
25 and providers across the continuum of care;

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PG 430 Lines 11-15 The Government will decide what level of treatment you will have at end of life.
Will Obama drones tell the truth?
Again red letter words are lies.

Page 430 lines 11-24
11 ‘‘(B) The level of treatment indicated under
12 subparagraph (A)(ii) may range from an indication for full treatment
13to an indication to limit some or all or specified
14 interventions. Such indicated levels of treatment may
15inlude indications respecting, among other items—
16 ‘‘(i) the intensity of medical intervention if the
17 patient is pulse less, apneic, or has serious cardiac
18 or pulmonary problems;
19 ‘‘(ii) the individual’s desire regarding transfer
20 to a hospital or remaining at the current care setting;
21
22 ‘‘(iii) the use of antibiotics; and
23 ‘‘(iv) the use of artificially administered nutrition and hydration.’’.

Line 21 only has a partial word.= ting the last 4 letters of the word setting.

If you read the complete post you can see how coadi distorts facts.
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Old 08-08-2009, 12:21 PM
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Page 430 lines 11-24
11 ‘‘(B) The level of treatment indicated under
12 subparagraph (A)(ii) may range from an indication for full treatment
13to an indication to limit some or all or specified
14 interventions. Such indicated levels of treatment may
15inlude indications respecting, among other items—
16 ‘‘(i) the intensity of medical intervention if the
17 patient is pulse less, apneic, or has serious cardiac
18 or pulmonary problems;19 ‘‘(ii) the individual’s desire regarding transfer
20 to a hospital or remaining at the current care setting;
21
22 ‘‘(iii) the use of antibiotics; and
23 ‘‘(iv) the use of artificially administered nutrition and hydration.’’.


Limit means pull the tubes. Abortion is a form of limiting.



Shut 'er down. I take it light has no health care experience.
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Old 08-08-2009, 12:39 PM
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20 ‘‘(C) An explanation by the practitioner of the
21 role and responsibilities of a health care proxy.
And the Obama drones assume they will elect their own proxy. it doesn't say that. These pro abortion socialists don't know what health care rationing for Seniors looks like. People with any brains are reading these documents and showing up for clarification. The socialists run from responding.
Light you really aren't educated enough to know every reatemen can require a phone call and consent from the great cube farm in Washington. King Hussein will have people decide what you have spent on you.
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Old 08-08-2009, 12:41 PM
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Re: Green jobs.

http://www.foxnews.com/video/index.h...04f50204809c04

Here boys and girls is what health care rationing looks like.

When the Obama adherents say it isn't so, they can't prove it. it may be worse. Remember indian Health is from the same government and has been refined for how many years?
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Old 08-08-2009, 01:15 PM
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Page 430 lines 11-24
11 ‘‘(B) The level of treatment indicated under
12 subparagraph (A)(ii) may range from an indication for full treatment
13to an indication to limit some or all or specified
14 interventions. Such indicated levels of treatment may
15inlude indications respecting, among other items—
16 ‘‘(i) the intensity of medical intervention if the
17 patient is pulse less, apneic, or has serious cardiac
18 or pulmonary problems;19 ‘‘(ii) the individual’s desire regarding transfer
20 to a hospital or remaining at the current care setting;
21
22 ‘‘(iii) the use of antibiotics; and
23 ‘‘(iv) the use of artificially administered nutrition and hydration.’’.


Limit means pull the tubes. Abortion is a form of limiting.



Shut 'er down. I take it light has no health care experience.
The lunatic fringe . uses omission to promote their lies. If all of the bill is used their lies stand out. That is why they omit much of the bill. They are the worst kind of deceiver.
Notice when the lies are proven to be lies they turn to abortion.
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Old 08-08-2009, 01:19 PM
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And the Obama drones assume they will elect their own proxy. it doesn't say that. These pro abortion socialists don't know what health care rationing for Seniors looks like. People with any brains are reading these documents and showing up for clarification. The socialists run from responding.
Light you really aren't educated enough to know every reatemen can require a phone call and consent from the great cube farm in Washington. King Hussein will have people decide what you have spent on you.
If you are an example of an educated CHRISTIAN this is my prayer.

Please God let me and mine be the opposite of this man.
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Old 08-08-2009, 10:33 PM
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WASHINGTON -- Congress plans to spend $550 million to buy eight jets, a substantial upgrade to the fleet used by federal officials at a time when lawmakers have criticized the use of corporate jets by companies receiving taxpayer funds.

The purchases will help accommodate growing travel demand by congressional officials. The planes augment a fleet of about two dozen passenger jets maintained by the Air Force for lawmakers, administration officials and military chiefs to fly on government trips in the U.S. and abroad.

This is for the Democart elite Fleet. Congress makes halliburtion look like a thrift shop.
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Old 08-09-2009, 01:12 PM
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WASHINGTON -- Congress plans to spend $550 million to buy eight jets, a substantial upgrade to the fleet used by federal officials at a time when lawmakers have criticized the use of corporate jets by companies receiving taxpayer funds.

The purchases will help accommodate growing travel demand by congressional officials. The planes augment a fleet of about two dozen passenger jets maintained by the Air Force for lawmakers, administration officials and military chiefs to fly on government trips in the U.S. and abroad.

This is for the Democart elite Fleet. Congress makes halliburtion look like a thrift shop.
Changing the subject??


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