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Old 02-04-2009, 07:30 PM
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Re: A Message for all the God-robbers

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I mean I copy Abraham's example of giving.
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In your copying of the actions of Abraham's example, do you "give" your tithe exclusively to a central treasury operated/directed by a single man?

If so, where did you see Abraham's example of doing so?
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Old 02-04-2009, 07:56 PM
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Miz,
In your copying of the actions of Abraham's example, do you "give" your tithe exclusively to a central treasury operated/directed by a single man?

If so, where did you see Abraham's example of doing so?
And on top of that Miz, just whom did you conquer in battle?

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Old 02-04-2009, 10:42 PM
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This is so ridiculous, most of the time when I hear these arguments it is from people that are fairly cheap. Just because someone pays tithes or goes to a church where it is preached does not make them wrong. If you don't like it go to where it is not preached. Most of the time that work will not go very far. It takes money to keep a building and a work going folks.

What is the problem here? Do you not want your minister to be full time?
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Old 02-04-2009, 10:45 PM
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Re: A Message for all the God-robbers

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Miz,
In your copying of the actions of Abraham's example, do you "give" your tithe exclusively to a central treasury operated/directed by a single man?

If so, where did you see Abraham's example of doing so?
In my heart I'm giving my tithe to God. It just happens to go to the church. Abraham and Mechisedec.
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Old 02-04-2009, 10:48 PM
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In my heart I'm giving my tithe to God. It just happens to go to the church. Abraham and Mechisedec.
I'm with you on this MIZPEH. In my experience, most people who do not want anyone know how much they gave is not doing that from a righteous point of view. They are just being stingy!
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Old 02-04-2009, 10:49 PM
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And on top of that Miz, just whom did you conquer in battle?
If I bring the firstfruits of what God has given me to those who labor in the word, what is that to you? And if I think a tenth or more is what I'll give because I want to follow the example of a man of God in the Bible, why do you find fault?

Do you seriously think Abraham only gave offerings to the Lord after a battle?
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This is so ridiculous, most of the time when I hear these arguments it is from people that are fairly cheap. Just because someone pays tithes or goes to a church where it is preached does not make them wrong. If you don't like it go to where it is not preached. Most of the time that work will not go very far. It takes money to keep a building and a work going folks.

What is the problem here? Do you not want your minister to be full time?
My pastor doesn't preach on tithing.
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Old 02-04-2009, 11:02 PM
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My pastor doesn't preach on tithing.
I am sorry, that comment or question was not pointed to you? I was asking the group that was so against tithes.

At the church I currently attend, they spend about once or twice a YEAR, one or two lessons teaching on good stewardship. He does not just teach on tithes but Christian stewardship which includes IRA's retirement, benevolence and debt. Good sound Biblical teaching.
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I give.... I don't tithe.

And I don't tell anyone how much.
That's a good point. Personally, I don't feel comfortable blowing my own trumpet when it comes to giving and to prayer. Yet in the past I suffered digs for this from people I came to conclude were egomaniacs because they demanded that everyone know how "spiritual" they were.

I once worked for a pastor and his church. It was the practice for the saints to meet together in the prayer room before the Sunday evening service. This is where I was when the pastor's wife came to me and asked for my help in the church office fixing the copy machine for her.

As I was returning from the office I passed the pastor who loudly rebuked me for not being in the prayer room! I started to explain, but I felt a hitch inside. It was simply against my nature to say anything about how much or even whether I prayed (Matthew 6:6). Years later, the guy still brings this incident up and scoffs me for not praying. He once brought it up in a district board meeting!

If you give something to God - that's between you and God. That's just the way I feel.
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Old 02-04-2009, 11:52 PM
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Re: A Message for all the God-robbers

In Malachi 3:10 we are instructed to bring all of the tithes into the storehouse.

If one appeals to the Law for support of a doctrine, I have no problem with that, especially if it is motivated by a manifest love of God and a desire to do that which is pleasing in His sight. What I do have a problem with is the buffet attitude that is so often taken by most Christians, i.e., I'll take one of those, three of that over there and oops, nope, none of those thank you, but I'll take two of something else . The admonishment in Malachi is to bring all of the tithes into the storehouse, i.e., all eight tithing ordnances must be obeyed, not just the one or two that we like - or we remail an unrepentant sinner, still robbing God, and proudly self righteous of that fact!

So, is the claim, "But I didn't know about the other six or seven statutes." any defense for transgressing the law? No. For it is written that a transgression of the law is sin. 1 John 3:4. If one is going to live under the law, one is held responsible for learning the law and accountable for living by it. Willful ignorance is no excuse before the throne of judgment!

So, what say the witnesses concerning those who take advantage of the poor, the elderly and the widowed (those who are legally entitled to their portion of the tithe)? 2 Pe 2:1-5 +

Also see 1 Tim 1:1-17 with emphasis on verses 6-8. We preach and teach that which supports our personal agendas, but set aside those laws, commandments, ordnances and statutes we do not like or that we disagree with. We become judges of the law. James 4:11

What was nailed to the cross? (Colossians 2:1) And, what are the differences between what was nailed and that which was not?

If one is going to teach the law, I would recommend first learning what the law really is before attempting to instruct others in it observance. I would also recommend one first learn what grace is and its relationship to/with the law before attempting to instruct others in that subject. James 3:1 My brethren , be not many masters (teachers/rabbis), knowing that we shall receive the greater condemnation .(condemnation: or, judgment). To stand before God and instruct Him on what commandments, laws, ordnances, or statutes one will and will not obey, is a very dangerous place to stand. Then to place one's own laws, standards, or ordnances above those authored by God, is begging for a harsh judgment! (Mt 23)

There is nothing wrong in desiring to give 10%, 15%, 75% or more of one's income and/or possessions to God. But, don't give it away to some man out of undeserved guilt or spiritual condemnation . Give what you have purposed in your heart to give, and do so with joy. 2 Corinthians 9:7

This is only an overview of the start of a teaching on "giving" and "supporting" the work of the kingdom of God, from a Christian perspective.

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Note: Some referenced scriptures contain a broad concept application rather then just a single issue application, as most of the references are. Know what it is you are doing - and why you are doing it. If you agree with your teacher(s), then be blessed and follow after their teaching. If your teacher is in error, challenge him/her and do not follow after them, for to do so places you in jeopardy of your own judgment. Ultimately, each of us will be held responsible for our own salvation. Take that responsibility seriously and do not leave it in the hands of another - save Christ's alone.
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