To loan money to the big three would be wise. The one big reason the Republicans won't go along is because they want to bankrupt the unions.
If people will stop listening to republican propaganda and think for themselves,things would be different.
Toyota is non union with way lower wages yet their cars are priced the same as a comparable car made by the big three. Union wages are not the cause or even part of the cause.
Toyota put their plants in right to work states to avoid paying union wages.
Texas is a state where you have the right to work for some of the lowest wages of any state. Grown men working at our refineries in Corpus for $ 8.00 Hr. What a shame yet they vote republican. Go figure!!!
So I did what you suggest. I went and figured.
Quality men of strong moral withers have decided that any Republican that promises to appoint Originalist judges figure that it might...JUST MIGHT... be a way to save another 50 million babies from the buthers knife. So, I went and figured and decided that these good 8. dollar an hour men would rather see these babies live than to work for 100 dollars an hour. Men of strong principles, morally upright, would rather see a nation go broke if given a choice, if it meant that these children could be rescued by a constructionist court.
Such quality men as your 8 dollar an hour refinery workers have decided that there are more things of lasting value than the almighty GOD OF MAMMON whom so many are so willing to worship regardless who or how many dies.
Quality men of strong moral withers have decided that any Republican that promises to appoint Originalist judges figure that it might...JUST MIGHT... be a way to save another 50 million babies from the buthers knife. So, I went and figured and decided that these good 8. dollar an hour men would rather see these babies live than to work for 100 dollars an hour. Men of strong principles, morally upright, would rather see a nation go broke if given a choice, if it meant that these children could be rescued by a constructionist court.
Such quality men as your 8 dollar an hour refinery workers have decided that there are more things of lasting value than the almighty GOD OF MAMMON whom so many are so willing to worship regardless who or how many dies.
VERY WELL SAID!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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To loan money to the big three would be wise. The one big reason the Republicans won't go along is because they want to bankrupt the unions.
If people will stop listening to republican propaganda and think for themselves,things would be different.
Toyota is non union with way lower wages yet their cars are priced the same as a comparable car made by the big three. Union wages are not the cause or even part of the cause.
Toyota put their plants in right to work states to avoid paying union wages.
Texas is a state where you have the right to work for some of the lowest wages of any state. Grown men working at our refineries in Corpus for $ 8.00 Hr. What a shame yet they vote republican. Go figure!!!
It's called CHOICE!. They work there because they can and choose to. Union bosses have hurt this country big time!! There was a time in the US when strong unions were needed. That is not the case any more. There are far more laws now which are for the worker and the unions have basically become obsolete except to those who run them. Union membership has drastically decreased due to good companies who don't need their services.
I have worked union and was even a union steward at one time. The only ones who really needed the unions, in my experience, were the ones who weren't willing to put in a good days work for their wages. I've never needed a union and have always been paid fairly. If not, I quit and found another job. A person with a good work ethic will rarely be without a job for long.
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A person with a good work ethic will rarely be without a job for long.
Exactly!
If you don't like making $8.00/hour working in a Texas refinery, go get some skills and find a job making more...
Why does an assembly line working doing the same mindless thing over and over and over make $40.00/hour just because the union held the employer hostage?
Why are Toyota vehicles priced the same as the big 3's vehicles? Because that's what people are willing to pay...it's just that Toyota gets to make a bigger profit...Smart business. If domestic vehicles were priced lower, foreign vehicles would have to follow suit, or offer a much better product to justify the higher price.
To loan money to the big three would be wise. The one big reason the Republicans won't go along is because they want to bankrupt the unions.
If people will stop listening to republican propaganda and think for themselves,things would be different.
Toyota is non union with way lower wages yet their cars are priced the same as a comparable car made by the big three. Union wages are not the cause or even part of the cause.
Toyota put their plants in right to work states to avoid paying union wages.
Texas is a state where you have the right to work for some of the lowest wages of any state. Grown men working at our refineries in Corpus for $ 8.00 Hr. What a shame yet they vote republican. Go figure!!!
Let's look at this. First, assuming that Toyotas cost the same as Chevy's to make, we pay one guy $40 an hour to push a button on the Chevy assembly line. Then We pay the Toyota guy $10 - $15 to do the same thing. Now we sell the cars for the same price. Toyota makes a profit, Chevy doesn't. what should we do?
Chevy can raise prices on their cars so they make a profit, but that means everyone is buying a Toyota.
Chevy could lower wages so that they can compete with Toyota, but the unions don't like that.
Chevy could borrow money from us the taxpayer to make up for the profit they aren't making, but then that doesn't fix the problem.
Unions are strangling industries and all they do is line their own pockets. I was once suspended, wrongfully, from a union job the union was dragging their feet pretending to do something. I sent some email, made some phone calls and negotiated with management myself. They agreed to pay me for the time off and remove any negative report on my work record. The union's response? Now they wanted to talk to me, they didn't want me to take what the company offered, even though it put me back in the position I would have been in. The union wanted me to take a hit so they would have bargaining power. Out of dozens who were suspended, I was the only one who ultimately prevailed, by doing what the union was suppose to do to begin with, argue my case. Everyone else lost a weeks pay, and got to keep paying those union dues.
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Quality men of strong moral withers have decided that any Republican that promises to appoint Originalist judges figure that it might...JUST MIGHT... be a way to save another 50 million babies from the buthers knife. So, I went and figured and decided that these good 8. dollar an hour men would rather see these babies live than to work for 100 dollars an hour. Men of strong principles, morally upright, would rather see a nation go broke if given a choice, if it meant that these children could be rescued by a constructionist court.
Such quality men as your 8 dollar an hour refinery workers have decided that there are more things of lasting value than the almighty GOD OF MAMMON whom so many are so willing to worship regardless who or how many dies.
How many children have you adopted???????? When you have adopted 3 or 4 you let me know and I will see if I can get you an $8.00 hr job. Your sarcasm is duly noted as well as your intelligence. How does a family feed, cloth and shelter on what you think is a good wage?
What have you done to help stop abortion? Talk is cheep and I hear cheeping sounds when you post.
PS this thread is not about abortion.
If you don't like making $8.00/hour working in a Texas refinery, go get some skills and find a job making more...
Why does an assembly line working doing the same mindless thing over and over and over make $40.00/hour just because the union held the employer hostage?
Why are Toyota vehicles priced the same as the big 3's vehicles? Because that's what people are willing to pay...it's just that Toyota gets to make a bigger profit...Smart business. If domestic vehicles were priced lower, foreign vehicles would have to follow suit, or offer a much better product to justify the higher price.
Typical right wing!! Let the corporations make as much as they can on the back of the working man.
Even if there is a bailout, I have a feeling that we might only be postponing the inevitable.
I think eventually at least 1 (or 2) of the big three will go bankrupt. They're just not competitive, and compared with the Japanese car companies, have been very inefficient for decades now. Sad to say, they've gotten away for years with making an inferior product, and the chickens are now coming home to roost.
I do feel bad for all the people losing their jobs, etc, but the blame lies squarely on the shoulders of the automakers themselves.
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I don't believe there should be any bailout of any type to any industry without measures in place that changes the practices that got them in this position in the first place.
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There is a part of me that wants to be for the unions.... and part of me that wants to be for the companies.
but here is what I know. these 3 automakers combined have in the neighborhood of 21,000 people one their books that are making $30+ per hour and they arent doing a blessed thing.
They are in what is called a Job pool (Timlan posted a link to a story about it). The report to this job pool and sit on their butts all day and watch movies and work crossword puzzels and get their check and keep their benifits.
THAT is a problem caused by 1. Unions and 2. Company Mis-management.
and that is just one of the problems.
These companies are paying their executives somewhere around Fifty million bucks a year (maybe more) all the while their stock prices are falling thru the floor. It is sick. And all us stock holders are taking it like a bunch of morons.
Light, your wrong about the Union. They need to be exploded. But you are right about the management of these companies. They need to be exploded too.
Fact is, the only way to get anywhere near fixed in this mess is to force them into Chapter 11 bankruptsy and for congress or stock holders to hold the management teams responsible and fire them all with NO parachute.
Then while in Chapter 11, the companies under new management can renegotiate all contracts (Union and non-union) and come up with a structure that keeps their workers employed while still making these companies profitable for the stock holders.
I have zero hope this will actually happen.
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