2: In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you.
3: And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also. John 14:2-3
Jesus said before we will be with him where he is he will have to come again and receive us to himself. I take this to mean at his second coming.
Instant Heaven doctrine says as soon as you die you are with him where he is.
Who should we believe?
Paradise is where our spirit and soul goes at the death of our bodies and is a different place from the place Jesus is preparing for us now.Paradise was before Jesus said he will go to prepare a place for us. Jesus is preparing the Holy City New Jerusalem.Just because he is preparing a place for us after the resurrection of our bodies and he will be there with us don't mean he is not with our spirit and soul now in paradise or don't mean he can't come and go from one place to an other.
AT Jesus' second coming are we supposed to meet him in heaven? I thought we were to meet him in the air and then sometime later the New Jerusalem comes down out of heaven and forever we will be with the Lord
At the resurrection our new body we will receive will be united with our spirit and soul that will come with Jesus.Our new bodies will meet in the air.This is the last or the 7th. trump.He will destroy this earth as we know it and creat a new and the Holy City he is preparing will then land on the new earth.
Our bodies sleep but our spirit and soul goes to God.
1 Thes.4:14: For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring WITH HIM.
This person was in paradise with Jesus when they died.Luke23:[43] And Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee, To day shalt thou be with me in paradise.
Ecclesiates 12:7: Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.
2Pet.3
[5] For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water:
[7] But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.
[10] But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
[12] Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?
[13] Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.
Revelation, chapter 21
1: And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.
2: And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.
3: And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.
4: And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away
If human bodies decompose ,where do the souls of the departed sleep at ?
Are they just floating around somewhere awaiting judgement day ?
I think my spirit and soul will just go to paradise,a much nicer place.
Luke23:[43] And Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee, To day shalt thou be with me in paradise.
The word of God is Jesus,we are saved if we believe in him the word.I wonder how many people really believe enough to be saved ?
Just kidding, I believe they are in a temporary adode with Jesus.
__________________ For it is written, "As I live, says the Lord every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall give praise to God. (Romans 14:11- NASB)
The Father's house and mansions in this chapter has nothing to do with Heaven but rather Sonship.
Wow. I am wonderfully amazed you see this! Praise God, bro!
It is not about the second coming. Jesus said what the Father's House was in the same discourse when He said the FATHER DWELT IN HIM.
__________________ ...MY THOUGHTS, ANYWAY.
"Many Christians do not try to understand what was written in a verse in the Bible. Instead they approach the passage to prove what they already believe."
When Paul said absence from the Body means presence with the Lord, this proves there is and never was soul sleep.
__________________ ...MY THOUGHTS, ANYWAY.
"Many Christians do not try to understand what was written in a verse in the Bible. Instead they approach the passage to prove what they already believe."
2: In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you.
3: And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also. John 14:2-3
Jesus said before we will be with him where he is he will have to come again and receive us to himself. I take this to mean at his second coming.
Instant Heaven doctrine says as soon as you die you are with him where he is.
Who should we believe?
Sorry Steve and Mike but Paul got THIS from THAT:
15: For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.
16: For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
17: Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
18: Wherefore comfort one another with these words.
Also if one would simply think about verse 18.
He does not comfort them by saying "your loved ones are now in Heaven rejoicing at the throne".
Nope. Not one word about it. The only hope or comfort he gives them about the DEAD are the words he uses in verses 15-18. Just like Yeshua said. He will come again and receive us to himself that we may be always with him.
Oh what a great proof text it would be if Paul had told this Church what you all believe! But alas all thats there is what HE WROTE. So instead we place this in the soul sleep category where it belongs.
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