I'm not a Barack Obama fan but...

[Neck]

Originally Posted by HappyTown

I like Obama! I think he better in touch and has a deeper understanding of the average American daily life!

That is the problem with most of America.

They want to pattern their life, their ambition, their giving around the average.

The average american is so deeply in debt because of their "need" to have
-vs- their need to better their income first.

I do not want a president that is satisfied with average.

That is the great hope of the Democrat party.

Keep our base at average or below average.

If you are satisfied with Average than you vote for your candidate.

As for me and my kids.

I have a High School education and did not go to college.

I found what I am good at and made myself better.

I value relationship building and thus have turned in a very success sales career.

One that in the past 10 years, I have not seen a W2 less than 120K.

I share that in open forum, only because in 1998 I lost an average job.

Where I was making 44K.

My wife worked and she make 16K.

I lost my job and it was the best thing that ever happened to me.

I opened my front door and realized..... what do I want to do?

Now with all that change already haven taken place in my life.

The democrats will most likely take more of my money.

Between the years of 2004 and 2007.

I gave after ajusted gross income and tax returns.

155K to the federal gov in net taxes.

Not including my Social Security and Medicare taxes I paid.

If I had the 155K in my pocket today.

I Could pay off my home and 2 cars.

But to the 40% of people in this country who pay no taxes on their net income.

Here comes some more of my money....

I might as well add their names to the deed of my property.

[Truthseeker]

OB wouldn't be a bad candidate if he didn't believe in killing babies and gay marriage.

[TRFrance]

Originally Posted by meBNme

Most of my friends are "right wingers" I have been called a "right winger" and I have never heard any of us say or alude to children being punishment on the parents for sins commited.

Thats just "left wing" propaganda attempting to discredit any argument from the right.

Children are not the punishment. Not having a spouse to share in the joys and duties can certainly be effects of bad decisions. But the kids are not punishment.

Thank you. His argument was fallacious from the very beginning.

I have NEVER heard any conservative refer to kids born out of wedlock as being "punishment"... never heard them even imply that.

If anything, that idea is more of a left-wing concept, since left-wingers often feel that if woman were to face an unexpected pregnancy and was unable to abort the child, such a child born would not only be an inconvenience, but also an undue burden (or a "punishment", in a sense.)

[TRFrance]

Originally Posted by meBNme

Here is the explanation to that query...

"Anything even slightly right of center is officially a "Right wing extremist."
Anything left of center is "moderate or progressive"

By the way, "center" is NOT defined as "a bipartisan position unswayed by either view, a position taken by facts alone." No, center is defined as "halfway between the facts and the far left fringe."
That way, even those who my truly by in the center, can be deemed as "right wingers" and the only view accepted as the truth is that of the left.

Yes indeed. Well said.

I can probably count on one hand the number of times the past few years I've seen the mainstream media refer to people as "left wingers/ left-wing extremists", compared to the multitude of times I've seen the term "right wingers/right wing extremists" being used.

It's journalistic malpractice, at the very least, and betrays the media's desire to marginalize conservatives but not do the same to liberals.

And why do they do this? Because they're sympathetic to leftist causes and largely hostile toward conservative causes.