Re: Do you consider a fundamentalist, out of touch
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Originally Posted by Dr. Vaughn
Ferd, thanks for your response.... may I ask you a personal question? If we can just drop all the snideness and smugness and actually have a pleasant conversation.. that would be nice...
I respect completely your disagreement with Serpent Seed.. I was once in your shoes... the very thought of it repulsed me as I thought it was almost pornographic to talk about... and preached against Serpent Seed publically.....
As you know I have changed my opinion.. thank God for America.. lol... anyhow since those times I am amazed how people get so upset by this doctrine when it is a completely non essential issue...
For example... I am with you if we are talking someones eternal soul,, their salvation... I am with you in being adamant... but if a person sees things different in the book of Revelations differently that I do... I am not gonna part fellowship or get upset about it..... and if someone like me sees the event sin Genesis different than you do.. does it really matter? Should it upset you as much as it does?
Help me understand.. why the anger and disgust with the subject? Honestly, if it does not pertain to salvation why get so upset about it... you guys don't get this upset of Trinitarianism, a doctrine that presents a false God for people to worship...... for the life of me.. I don't understand how the doctrine of "Original Sin or Serpent Seed" whichever you choose to call it is so upsetting for people... if you tell me you're a preterist or a post trib believer..... I am not going to get disgusted and furious... you are still my brother.. we both believe the same gospel of salvation....
Ok, sorry for my ramblings
Why does he or anyone hae to be so angry with a subject just because they find it false doctrine? Are you angry and disgusted with certain Pentecostal subjects? You ever think that what people are getting upset at is not the subject but how you approach them. Like you called all us Pentecostals hogs
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Re: Do you consider a fundamentalist, out of touch
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Originally Posted by Dr. Vaughn
PRAX, I am breaking a promise here as I promised not to respond anymore.. I ask for your forgiveness for breaking this promise.. but in the Spirit of this thread I will gladly respond.
May I please clear the air about the whole hog incidence? Would you allow me the chance,,,thanks
In speaking to someone about Pentecostal services where flesh is out of control, people are losing control of themselves.. I simply said.. I do not believe that type of service is accepted or advocated in the NT..... then someone tells me "Well. you will preach in those churches" as if to say I was being hypocritical for preaching in Pentecostal churches..... I gave them a ONE SENTENCE response that I should have elaborated on more....
I referred to my belief that if a Catholic Church invited me to preach today I WOULD GO as adamant as I am against the Catholic Church.. WHY? Because "I would preach in a hogpen. doesn't mean I will become a Hog"
In No way did I mean to call the Pentecostal church HOGS...I was trying to illustrate a point.. that I can preach anywhere and not take on their beliefs or nature......
IF the Baptist church invited me today.. I would go but I wouldnt become a baptist..... I preach for many Pentecostal because we agree on soooo many things from the Godhead, baptism, Receiving the Holy Ghost,, Holiness but it doesnt mean I have to become a Pentecostal for doing so.....
Im glad you finally explained that. You don't feel that some of your posts have been abrasive? You know that works both ways. It's not poor little you posting on your favorite topics and then us getting mad because you are a fundie and we are not. If you can't see that then I don't know what else to say. I tried to engage you before and I cast no insults, but you just ignored post after post after post. Finally you made light of me trying to get you to respond and then you said I was to aggressive.
Dr I can and am willing to take you on any topic, but as long as there are no personal attacks and as long as you actually address my points or counter points. Im not angry over serpent seed, but I think it is false doctrine. I don't have to be angry or disgusted in order to find that something is unbiblical
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There is One God. This one God reveals Himself distinctly as Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
The Son is God himself in a human form or "God manifested in the flesh" (1Tim 3:16)
Every sinner must repent of their sins.
That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.
Re: Do you consider a fundamentalist, out of touch
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Originally Posted by Dr. Vaughn
Ferd, thanks for your response.... may I ask you a personal question? If we can just drop all the snideness and smugness and actually have a pleasant conversation.. that would be nice...
I respect completely your disagreement with Serpent Seed.. I was once in your shoes... the very thought of it repulsed me as I thought it was almost pornographic to talk about... and preached against Serpent Seed publically.....
As you know I have changed my opinion.. thank God for America.. lol... anyhow since those times I am amazed how people get so upset by this doctrine when it is a completely non essential issue...
For example... I am with you if we are talking someones eternal soul,, their salvation... I am with you in being adamant... but if a person sees things different in the book of Revelations differently that I do... I am not gonna part fellowship or get upset about it..... and if someone like me sees the event sin Genesis different than you do.. does it really matter? Should it upset you as much as it does?
Help me understand.. why the anger and disgust with the subject? Honestly, if it does not pertain to salvation why get so upset about it... you guys don't get this upset of Trinitarianism, a doctrine that presents a false God for people to worship...... for the life of me.. I don't understand how the doctrine of "Original Sin or Serpent Seed" whichever you choose to call it is so upsetting for people... if you tell me you're a preterist or a post trib believer..... I am not going to get disgusted and furious... you are still my brother.. we both believe the same gospel of salvation....
Ok, sorry for my ramblings
DV, you are the first I've heard saying it isn't essential to start with. So you have to understand therefore that if you are a branhamite, then I am a bit skeptical.
Everyone I have met that got involved in this ended up in the ditch. It caused no small ruckus with some folk I dearly love.
ive debated it 9 ways from sunday. it isn't a matter of it being pornographic, its a matter of this doctrine leading to vastly divergent understanding of the grace of God.... to the point that it effectively eliminates the Grace of God.
so, there you have it, all the times I have encountered this, it really is essential and it really gets in the way of sound doctrine. It is vastly different than someone's understanding of Revelations.
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Re: Do you consider a fundamentalist, out of touch
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Originally Posted by Ferd
DV, you are the first I've heard saying it isn't essential to start with. So you have to understand therefore that if you are a branhamite, then I am a bit skeptical.
Everyone I have met that got involved in this ended up in the ditch. It caused no small ruckus with some folk I dearly love.
ive debated it 9 ways from sunday. it isn't a matter of it being pornographic, its a matter of this doctrine leading to vastly divergent understanding of the grace of God.... to the point that it effectively eliminates the Grace of God.
so, there you have it, all the times I have encountered this, it really is essential and it really gets in the way of sound doctrine. It is vastly different than someone's understanding of Revelations.
I've had debates with Branham followers for years and the serpent seed doctrine was always very very important to them
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There is One God. This one God reveals Himself distinctly as Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
The Son is God himself in a human form or "God manifested in the flesh" (1Tim 3:16)
Every sinner must repent of their sins.
That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.
Re: Do you consider a fundamentalist, out of touch
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Originally Posted by Pro31:28
I appreciate your convictions, such as they are. I do wonder though about women in the church, in your opinion what is their place?
Ok,, you guys just love getting me in trouble don't you?
You see you ask my opinion and I will give it and this board will call me hateful and out of touch... but here is my opinion
I believe a womans place first and foremost is as the nuturer of her children and the helper of her husband... you will forgive me if that sounds archaic
In the church her role is as Paul said.. Pauls mentions the woman praying and Prophesying.... with her head covered in reverence to her head which is her husband... there is a strong admonition for women to be used of God in prayer and the gifts of the Spirit.... and as workers she is simply forbidden because of "the beginning" to have any authority over a man..... not that the man is better than her but he is her head... I KNOW, I KNOW.. how dare I say such things..... but she is allowed to TEACH THE WOMEN,, Paul encourages the older women to teach the younger women.... she does wonderfully in connecting with children and training them in the ways of God... but when she stands to bring forth doctrine, rebuke, correction, exhortation she is stepping in an authorative position over the souls of men and God has forbidden it.... sorry.. no harm intended
Re: Do you consider a fundamentalist, out of touch
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Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea
Dr. Vaughn ... you have a picture of your wife preaching on your Myspace ...
captioned "Preaching in TN" ...
IM REALLY CONFUSED!!!
I won't post it for respect of her privacy.
I can also show you pictures of me shouting all over the church in days gone by.. My wife and I have changed our understanding of scripture since those days.. my wife now teaches women only and she is the best in the world at it.. amazing lady..
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