Is "One-Step" Closer To Hell?

[SDG]

Originally Posted by 1399

The "spirit" of this question is sickening. May God have mercy on all of us.

The post is wrought w/ the spirit of spiritual elitism and exclusivism that has isolated some to reject those filled w/ God's Spirit as His ... although He declares them His.

1 Cor may need to look at what he's advocating ... especially in determining w/ absolute certainty the mind of God and the heart of men.

Not to dismiss faulty understanding of what faith and repentance is.

[1Corinth2v4]

Originally Posted by Pianoman

Repentance is a frame of mind. If he planned to repent in front of his earthly father, he has repented to God.

The atheist has planned to repent before dying. He was going to inquire of his father the proper method of repentence.


Changing your mind has nothing to do with changing your heart and/or sorrowing over and hating your sin.

[RandyWayne]

Originally Posted by 1Corinth2v4

The atheist had determined to repent, without any doubt when in the presence of his father. The atheist was sincere in his actions.



Likewise, if the repented person had been baptized when he/she repented, they might of been well off too before dying in a plane-crash.


All the same logic.

For you not to see how misguided your premise is, is to mean that you have fallen totally into a TRUE works based salvation consisting of no more than "First, press button 1, then button 2, then button 3 and bingo. Saved!".
Grace, mercy, and most importantly, the cross -has left your building.

[SDG]

Originally Posted by 1Corinth2v4

The atheist has planned to repent before dying. He was going to inquire of his father the proper method of repentence"


Frame of mind has nothing to do with changing your heart and/or sorrowing over and hating your sin.

Thank you then He did not accept the Gospel ... or perhaps understand it ... if he had truly believed ... he would have repented ...

The changing of heart ... btw, 1 Cor ... is done by the quickening of God's regenerative spirit of heart that surrenders to being born from above ...

Another huge failure in explaining what repentance is and who does the changing.

1 Cor ... what is faith ...?? What is repentance?

Basics in presenting the Gospel ... please enlighten us.

More confirmation that the 3 stepper causes his own salvation

[1Corinth2v4]

Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea

Thank you then He did not accept the Gospel ... or perhaps understand it ... if he had truly believed ... he would have repented ...

Daniel,

He had accepted the gospel, and was awaiting the direction of his physical father to further his steps in Christ.


If the one-stepper had truly repented, they would have obeyed the gospel by arising and washing away their sins (Acts 22:16).

[SDG]

Originally Posted by 1Corinth2v4

Daniel,

He had accepted the gospel, and was awaiting the direction of his physical father to further his steps in Christ.


If the one-stepper had truly repented, they would have obeyed the gospel by arising and washing away their sins (Acts 22:16).

More baptismal regenerationist gobbly gook .... You just said the guy couldn't even properly repent ... much less get baptized ...

Acts 3:19 ... tells us to Repent, turn to God, so that our sins be wiped away ....

Baptism does not effectuate an extra spin cycle in God's plan of salvation ... His blood forgives and washes our sins when we place our entire trust in his Sacrifice and Resurrection (the Gospel) ...

Knowing the Gospel is not believing the Gospel ... which will lead to obedience or responding to the Gospel in the many commandments He is given to those He loves.

[1Corinth2v4]

Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea

More baptismal regenerationist gobbly gook .... You just said the guy couldn't even repent ... much less get baptized ...

Acts 2:19 ... tells us to Repent, turn to God, so that our sins be wiped away ....

Baptism does not effectuate an extra spin cycle in God's plan of salvation ... His blood forgives and washes our sins when we place our entire trust in his Sacrifice and Resurrection ...

Are you having fun manipulating my comments Daniel?


Please answer the question, is this atheist saved?

[SDG]

Originally Posted by 1Corinth2v4

Are you having fun manipulating my comments Daniel?


Please answer the question, is this atheist saved?

Atheists don't believe in God much less acknowledge he exists ... HELLO ....

much less that He died and resurrected for their sins ... and that without placing faith in HIS DEATH and RESURRECTION they will not be saved.

Was that really your question?

(Way too easy ... anymore scenarios discussing the salvation of atheists?)

[1Corinth2v4]

Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea

Atheists don't believe in God ... HELLO ....

much less that He died and resurrected for their sins ... and that without placing faith in HIS DEATH and RESURRECTION they will not be saved.

Was that really your question?

Somehow you have overlooked the atheist's situation and have created your own plot. (sigh...a typical one-stepper)

[1Corinth2v4]

Originally Posted by 1Corinth2v4

I believe in the divine three-step mandate of repentance, water baptism, and Holy Ghost infilling to enter heaven. Also, I become weary hearing and reading one-stepper illustrations of the "what if theory." Here's a question for you one-steppers.

There's an atheist, the son of a Pentecostal preacher traveling via airplane and finally accepts the message of Jesus Christ. The atheist states he'll repent of his sins after landing, while in the presence of his father, and the airplane then explodes in mid-air.

Would God send a Pentecostal's preacher boy to hell after his determination was to repent in the presence of his physical father, that his physical father might rejoice with him, in the presence of a mighty merciful God?

I mean, surely, the same merciful God that saves a person after their determination to get baptized, and yet dies in a plane crash before being baptized, this very same merciful God will save a sinner whose determination was to repent, but dies in a plane crash, correct?

This is the same logic you one-steppers utilize, so your answer should be undoubtedly swift.

Bump for Daniel.