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03-21-2007, 10:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Scott Hutchinson
A Bishop or Pastor with a ministry team seems like a good idea.
A Bishop should learn how to delegate authority to others ,because one man can't do everything himself.
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Some men are fearful of "training" others because they may not appear to be able to meet everyone's needs themselves and the others may even do some things better than them.
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03-21-2007, 10:36 PM
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Originally Posted by ManOfWord
Some men are fearful of "training" others because they may not appear to be able to meet everyone's needs themselves and the others may even do some things better than them.
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I don't Pastor currently but if I did and had qualified help I would use them, and help those that are called to be nurtured.I wouldn't want to do everything myself.
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03-21-2007, 10:48 PM
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Originally Posted by DJElkins
I say absolutely not if they are trying to be equals in power. There must be an ultimate authority and head. I am not against a multitude of counsel however. Of course, I am also seeing this from the ugly end of some elders who usurped power...
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the ultimate authority is Jesus Christ. Your reasoning is why many elderships fail. Men still think they are the head of the church.
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03-21-2007, 10:48 PM
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Thank you Bro.Jelkins.Could a Bishop and then a plurality of Elders under him work as to shoulder the load of ministry in a local assembly?
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Problem with Bishop ruling over Elders is a Bishop and Elder are the same thing. Who says that the one Pastor system is working? Most Churches do not understand the foundations of the New Testament Faith. Most Churches dont believe in perfection and therefore do not teach it.
Are the Saints in todays Churches being made perfect in Christ? Plurality of Elders at least IS scriptural where one Pastor Churches are not. Someone post a New Testament scripture that mentions one man being the Pastor of an assembley.
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03-21-2007, 10:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple
Problem with Bishop ruling over Elders is a Bishop and Elder are the same thing. Who says that the one Pastor system is working? Most Churches do not understand the foundations of the New Testament Faith. Most Churches dont believe in perfection and therefore do not teach it.
Are the Saints in todays Churches being made perfect in Christ? Plurality of Elders at least IS scriptural where one Pastor Churches are not. Someone post a New Testament scripture that mentions one man being the Pastor of an assembley.
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I knew another view would be presented by someone.
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03-21-2007, 10:50 PM
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I personally know of a few men who have tried this. Their vision was to be equals and make decision together. It didn't work and jeopardized their relationships, not to mention the grief it caused the church. The only solution was for one of them to rise to the position of Sr. Pastor and the others to leave. It sounds good and idyllic, but it doesn't work.
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It can and does work. The solution that you mentioned ( "for one of them to rise to the position of Sr. Pastor and the others to leave") is completely contrary to the Bible. I doubt that it is a very healthy assembly if this kind of power struggle is going on - no wonder it didn't work.
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03-21-2007, 10:52 PM
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Some men are fearful of "training" others because they may not appear to be able to meet everyone's needs themselves and the others may even do some things better than them.
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Pride goes before destruction...
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03-21-2007, 10:53 PM
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Just a sheperd are you apart of a Eldership church if so please explain how it works?
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03-21-2007, 10:59 PM
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Just a sheperd are you apart of a Eldership church if so please explain how it works?
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We are working toward that. I know of several Apostolic churches that are elder led and they work as well or better than any solo pastor church that I have been to.
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03-21-2007, 11:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Just a Shepherd
We are working toward that. I know of several Apostolic churches that are elder led and they work as well or better than any solo pastor church that I have been to.
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Thank you Brother, I trust all is well with you and yours.
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