Is This Statement Of Faith Apostolic Enough? - Page 2

Cindy · #11 05-25-2008, 07:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Sam

OK, maybe that's a technicality.
Guess we can't say, "I'm more Apostolic than you" but we can say, "My statement of faith is more Apostolic than yours."

Just kidding, and trying to jerk somebody's chain.

Well when you put it that way it's understandable.....

bkstokes · #12 05-25-2008, 07:31 PM

St. Matt

Should and must both carry with them moral obligations. I am in the military and if my supervisor tells me, "You should get a haircut." I go get a haircut. If the word "should" is used with the word "if" then it makes it conditional (e.g. if you should). However, in the structure of this sentence this is not the case. In the structure of this sentence, it is an obligation to the believer.

Fiyahstarter · #13 05-25-2008, 08:03 PM

I think it is a beautiful statement of faith.

stmatthew · #14 05-25-2008, 08:22 PM

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Originally Posted by bkstokes

St. Matt

Should and must both carry with them moral obligations. I am in the military and if my supervisor tells me, "You should get a haircut." I go get a haircut. If the word "should" is used with the word "if" then it makes it conditional (e.g. if you should). However, in the structure of this sentence this is not the case. In the structure of this sentence, it is an obligation to the believer.

I disagree. The only reason you would go get a haircut is because your superior made the suggestion. However, if I state that I should lay off of the Lays potato chips after eating one, we all know that I will not do so, because no one can eat just one.

Scott Hutchinson · #15 05-25-2008, 09:56 PM

I'm might have worded the baptism statement a little differently,but really I can't find too much fault with it.
These statements faith of faith are to be just a basic overview of basic beliefs and not a comprehensive list of everything a church may or may not believe.
I don't really care for the word Triune but Triune can mean three manifestations and not three seperate persons,but I don't really like the term triune myself.

commonsense · #16 05-25-2008, 10:08 PM

Semantics perhaps...............

#3 in dictionary_ loosely, verbal trickery

Praxeas · #17 05-26-2008, 03:54 AM

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Originally Posted by PraiseHymn

Is this Statement of Faith Apostolic enough? This church (who I will name nameless right now) has this posted on their website. They are Oneness and Baptise in Jesus Name and believe in the Holy Ghost speaking in tongues. I just wanted everyones view point. Thanks for your responses.

THREE DIMENSIONS OF ONE GOD (1 John 5:7; Matthew 28:19; 1 Tim 3:16)
We believe in one God who is eternal in His existence, Triune in His manifestation, being both Father, Son and Holy Ghost AND that He is Sovereign and Absolute in His authority.

We believe in the Father who is God Himself, Creator of the universe. (Gen 1:1; John 1:1)

We believe that Jesus is the Son of God. (Col 2:9)
He suffered, died, was buried, and rose from the dead for our total salvation (Luke 3:21-22; Philippians 2:5-11).

We believe that Jesus is the Way, the Truth, and the Life. No one comes to the Father except through Him (John 3:36; John 3:31-32; John 14:6).

We believe in the Holy Spirit who is God indwelling, empowering and regenerating the believer. This Holy Spirit is called the Comforter. The Spirit of Truth (John 14:17, 14:26)

We believe that the blood of Jesus Christ atones for our sins and iniquity. It is through His shed blood that we are saved, healed and set free from bondage and the forces of darkness (Romans 5:9-11; Ephesians 1:7; Revelation 12:11).

We believe that every believer must have a personal and intimate relationship with Jesus Christ, for apart from Him we can do nothing. Each person has a ministry from God that no one else can fill. We are to instruct, teach, exhort, and admonish believers in the ways of God (John 15:1-5; Hebrews 13:5-6).

We believe that the Bible is the true infallible Word of God, which cleanses our souls. It holds the words of eternal life and the keys of the Kingdom of God. The Bible shows us God's principles and standards for living; and it is the food that sustains us in all circumstances (John 1:14; 2 Timothy 3: 16-17; 1 John 2:5-6).

We believe that we are to wash and renew our minds daily by the Word of God.

We must learn His ways and exchange our way of thinking for His. We are to be conformed to the Kingdom of God by the molding and shaping of His Hands (Romans 12:1-2; Ephesians 4:23-29; Philippians 4:8).

We believe in justification by faith. We believe that salvation is free and apart from any work of man is a result of the sovereign grace of God. (Eph 2:8-9, Gal 5:5, Rom 5:1)

We believe in worshipping the Lord in spirit, song, dance and with the raising of our hands. We believe that we are to praise and worship Him with our whole being (Psalms 150:1-6; John 4:24).

We believe that in Godly living and the pursuit of a holy life should be the goal of every believer. (Heb 12:14, Phil 3:14)

We believe that believers should be water baptized by immersion for the circumcision of our hearts. It is through baptism that we publicly identify with the death, burial and resurrection of Jesus Christ (Romans 6:3-6; Colossians 2:11-14; Acts 2:38).

We believe that all Christians need to partake of the communion elements which represent the Lord Jesus' body and blood. It is by participating in the Lord's Supper that we proclaim His death until His return (John 6:53-58; 1 Corinthians 11:23-30).

We believe in the Baptism of the Holy Spirit with the sign of speaking in other tongues. We believe that Christians must be filled daily by using our prayer language, but the evidence of the Holy Spirit's indwelling presence is a changed life (Acts 2:4; Ephesians 5:18-21).

We believe in the manifestation of the gifts of the Holy Spirit. He ministers to His people through tongues, interpretation of tongues, prophecy; words of knowledge and wisdom, discerning of spirits, faith, working of miracles, and healing (Mark 16:15-18; Acts 5:16; 2 Corinthians 12:1-11).

We believe that it is God's will to heal and deliver His people today as He did in the days of the first Apostles. It is by the stripes of Jesus that we are healed, delivered and made whole. We have authority over sickness, disease, demons, curses, and every circumstance in life (Luke 10:19; 2 Corinthians 10:4-5; 1 Peter 2:24).

"Go into all the world and preach the gospel to every creature... And these signs will follow those who believe: In My name they will cast out demons; they will speak with new tongues; they will take up serpents; and if they drink anything deadly, it will by no means hurt them; they will lay hands on the sick, and they will recover." (Mark 16:15-18)

I might have missed it, but does it say Jesus is God? I saw JEsus is the Son of God...but is Jesus God?

Praxeas · #18 05-26-2008, 03:59 AM

http://media.www.dailytoreador.com/m...-1636261.shtml

pelathais · #19 05-26-2008, 07:33 AM

PraiseHymn, what is the source for this statement of faith?

Personally, I cou;d get past the statement: "... being both Father, Son and Holy Ghost..."

"Both" means "two," not three. The statement should say something like, "being Father, Son and Holy Ghost..." A simple mistake of grammar like this seems to reveal an over-eagerness on the part of the author to glad-hand the subject rather than to grappel earnestly with the complexities involved.

I'd rather see a simple statement that I disagree with than a mistakenly worded statement that tries to be all things to everyone. How about if we lay asided this idea that we human beings are omniscient and just accept the fact that there will be differences among us? That's an "Apostolic" principle too.

Hoovie · #20 05-26-2008, 09:45 AM

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Originally Posted by pelathais

PraiseHymn, what is the source for this statement of faith?

Personally, I cou;d get past the statement: "... being both Father, Son and Holy Ghost..."

"Both" means "two," not three. The statement should say something like, "being Father, Son and Holy Ghost..." A simple mistake of grammar like this seems to reveal an over-eagerness on the part of the author to glad-hand the subject rather than to grappel earnestly with the complexities involved.

I'd rather see a simple statement that I disagree with than a mistakenly worded statement that tries to be all things to everyone. How about if we lay asided this idea that we human beings are omniscient and just accept the fact that there will be differences among us? That's an "Apostolic" principle too.

I chalked that up as a typo, but you are right - how much thought and serenity went into it if they let that stand?