Whoa! Polygamist solution is frightening...

[MissBrattified]

According to CNN.com, mothers with children 5 and under were allowed to remain with their children.

[rgcraig]

Originally Posted by cneasttx

I agree MissB, the mother's should be allowed their children, but not if they are going to subject them to this abuse in the future. The mothers need help as much as the children.

Maybe the fact that the mothers allow it to happen to them is why they are being taken from them too. Just for discussion's sake.

I would dare say a child placed in a foster home where the foster dad was abusing them would be left there.

[MissBrattified]

Originally Posted by rgcraig

Maybe the fact that the mother's allow it to happen to them is why they are being taken from them too. Just for discussion's sake.

I'm sure this is the case. Even though this group is openly breaking the law by practicing polygamy, I don't think the state would have even lifted a finger if there were no underage girls being forced into marriage and pregnancy.

I would dare say a child placed in a foster homes where the foster dad was abusing them would be left there.

This is probably a sad fact. I wish CPS could be overhauled somehow.

[Cindy]

Yes, but I wonder if any other state has had the problem on this scale before. A lot of scarred children from being left in harm's way. So sad.

[rgcraig]

Originally Posted by cneasttx

Yes, but I wonder if any other state has had the problem on this scale before. A lot of scarred children from being left in harm's way. So sad.

Breaks your heart and they really know nothing different. That makes it double scary for them.

[MissBrattified]

Originally Posted by cneasttx

Yes, but I wonder if any other state has had the problem on this scale before. A lot of scarred children from being left in harm's way. So sad.

Frankly, I'm glad they are finally stepping in and trying to do something. I've been following this story for more than a year. They've tried several times to investigate and have just hit brick walls, including local police who didn't really want to interfere.

I'm also glad that they seem to be trying to use as gentle an approach as possible. Things could have gone a LOT worse in this raid.

[The Mrs]

My first reaction to seeing this was similar to Newmans...I think. It was horrifying to think of the situation, the torment these children went through, and worse, the torment they will be going through by being exposed to something different than what they were taught all their lives. (On a much smaller scale, I feel I can relate to them a bit because of my past, and sitting under a pastor with cult-like tendencies. I can relate to their fears.) My heart just ached for them.

And at the same time, the thought lurking deep in my brain: what kind of precedence will this set for ALL religious communities? It certainly is a troubling thought.

I would have to say though, it seems that our laws stem from religious convictions. We are still considered a 'religious' country. I can't see us coming to a place where we would need to fear anything as long as our religious practices don't go against the laws of the land. And with a country that was founded on religious freedom, I just can't imagine any laws being formed that would violate the Christian foundation.

There just seems to be no easy solution to what has taken place. I know they couldn't just go in and arrest all the men that were breaking the laws because they just didn't have any proof. I sure hope they get that proof!

[Cindy]

Originally Posted by The Mrs

My first reaction to seeing this was similar to Newmans...I think. It was horrifying to think of the situation, the torment these children went through, and worse, the torment they will be going through by being exposed to something different than what they were taught all their lives. (On a much smaller scale, I feel I can relate to them a bit because of my past, and sitting under a pastor with cult-like tendencies. I can relate to their fears.) My heart just ached for them.

And at the same time, the thought lurking deep in my brain: what kind of precedence will this set for ALL religious communities? It certainly is a troubling thought.

I would have to say though, it seems that our laws stem from religious convictions. We are still considered a 'religious' country. I can't see us coming to a place where we would need to fear anything as long as our religious practices don't go against the laws of the land. And with a country that was founded on religious freedom, I just can't imagine any laws being formed that would violate the Christian foundation.

There just seems to be no easy solution to what has taken place. I know they couldn't just go in and arrest all the men that were breaking the laws because they just didn't have any proof. I sure hope they get that proof!

I think that is what took so long for the state to act. Finding a way to save the children and have enough evidence to arrest and prosecute the men. But it is not about relegious practices or biblical principles at all, it is about (property, the children) being molested and raped and inpregnated to propagate their polygamy practices. And if left to continue somewhere down the line incest is going to play a part in this also. And I think this will set some precedents that will cause real relegious and parental rights to be violated as well.

[Sweet Pea]

Originally Posted by The Mrs

My first reaction to seeing this was similar to Newmans...I think. It was horrifying to think of the situation, the torment these children went through, and worse, the torment they will be going through by being exposed to something different than what they were taught all their lives. (On a much smaller scale, I feel I can relate to them a bit because of my past, and sitting under a pastor with cult-like tendencies. I can relate to their fears.) My heart just ached for them.

And at the same time, the thought lurking deep in my brain: what kind of precedence will this set for ALL religious communities? It certainly is a troubling thought.

I would have to say though, it seems that our laws stem from religious convictions. We are still considered a 'religious' country. I can't see us coming to a place where we would need to fear anything as long as our religious practices don't go against the laws of the land. And with a country that was founded on religious freedom, I just can't imagine any laws being formed that would violate the Christian foundation.

There just seems to be no easy solution to what has taken place. I know they couldn't just go in and arrest all the men that were breaking the laws because they just didn't have any proof. I sure hope they get that proof!

The sad part about the bolded - we are quickly moving away from being a Chrisitan nation. More and more of our "Christian" values are being stripped away because of "political correctness."

[Cindy]

I also think that maybe the state of Texas didn't want another Waco incident.