Disfellowshipping because of Sin: When, if ever?

[SDG]

Originally Posted by MissBrattified

Then the pastor may feel he has to make sure he treats his son with the same harsh discipline he has treated others, else he would be deemed unfair or as playing favorites--which would be true.

I wonder if the son is repentant or defiant? That would make a difference in how it was handled--at least, I'd hope so.

...I would hope that no church would put out a repentant saint.

I would hope so to, Miss B. I guess also the offense and shame may be greater to the pastor because it's his son?

Do you think God allows, not condones, these type of things to help shape character?

[COOPER]

And they brought forth a lady too.....saying THE LAW requires stoning.

Lets all get stoned with her!

[COOPER]

Be careful lest you fall.......

[MissBrattified]

Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea

I would hope so to, Miss B. I guess also the offense and shame may be greater because it's his son?

Do you think God allows, not condones, these type of things to help shape character?

I don't know. I've never been a fan of this type of church "discipline", except for extreme cases of open rebellion--and even then I don't like it.

Some parents react differently. Some react in anger and shame, others act with understanding and wisdom. The former and the latter don't really work in tandem, IMO. PM incoming.

[SDG]

Originally Posted by COOPER

Be careful lest you fall.......

I agree, Coop. But it does appear there is a point where Paul says we may have to disassociate w/ a person persisting in wickedness. Do we follow this as a command ... a suggestion?

[COOPER]

Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea

I would hope so to, Miss B. I guess also the offense and shame may be greater to the pastor because it's his son?

Do you think God allows, not condones, these type of things to help shape character?

God can use sin to the good.

He can allow you to fall flat on your "holy butt"....into sin, just to teach you a lesson...

[Ferd]

I dont know that you put people away out of hand. when there is consistant sin and rebellion and many warnings, there may be a place for it but I think the heart of what Paul was talking about was someone or some group that were doing very wrong things, and seeking to get others involved in their sin, while at the same time disregarding the warnings from the ministry.

[MissBrattified]

I think if someone is unrepentant, unapologetic, and persists in the sin, especially openly (e.g., in-your-face), then some action may need to be taken. But it should be taken carefully and prayerfully and after other means have been exhausted. (Counsel, prayer, rebuke)

When someone is in a position of authority, it may be reasonable for them to be removed from that position because of their influence over others.

[freeatlast]

Originally Posted by Ferd

I dont know that you put people away out of hand. when there is consistant sin and rebellion and many warnings, there may be a place for it but I think the heart of what Paul was talking about was someone or some group that were doing very wrong things, and seeking to get others involved in their sin, while at the same time disregarding the warnings from the ministry.

I think we have a winner in this post...kudos ferd

[mfblume]

Disfellowshipping occurs when the sin is continued, and the person refuses to cease.