Did John the Baptist Speak in tongues?

[Joelel]

Originally Posted by Walkbyfaith7

I do know that many prophesied while filled with baptized with the Holy Ghost.
And Paul said being used in prophecy is greater than speaking with tongues.

Paul also said forbid not to speak in tongues. Paul never said YOU HAVE TO SPEAK IN TONGUES.

Big difference between what the bible teaches and what the holy prophets said than what most organizations have for their doctrine.

This tongue talking was referred to as prophecy,Why ? Because the people understood what was being said.They were giving prophecy to these people in their own tongue.The following scripture will teach us this.

Acts2:

1: And when the day of Pentecost was fully come, they were all with one accord in one place.
2: And suddenly there came a sound from heaven as of a rushing mighty wind, and it filled all the house where they were sitting.
3: And there appeared unto them cloven tongues like as of fire, and it sat upon each of them.
4: And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.
5: And there were dwelling at Jerusalem Jews, devout men, out of every nation under heaven.
6: Now when this was noised abroad, the multitude came together, and were confounded, because that every man heard them speak in his own language.
7: And they were all amazed and marvelled, saying one to another, Behold, are not all these which speak Galilaeans?
8: And how hear we every man in our own tongue, wherein we were born?
9: Parthians, and Medes, and Elamites, and the dwellers in Mesopotamia, and in Judaea, and Cappadocia, in Pontus, and Asia,
10: Phrygia, and Pamphylia, in Egypt, and in the parts of Libya about Cyrene, and strangers of Rome, Jews and proselytes,
11: Cretes and Arabians, we do hear them speak in our tongues the wonderful works of God.
12: And they were all amazed, and were in doubt, saying one to another, What meaneth this?
13: Others mocking said, These men are full of new wine.
14: But Peter, standing up with the eleven, lifted up his voice, and said unto them, Ye men of Judaea, and all ye that dwell at Jerusalem, be this known unto you, and hearken to my words:
15: For these are not drunken, as ye suppose, seeing it is but the third hour of the day.
16: But this is that which was spoken by the prophet Joel;
17: And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams:
18: And on my servants and on my handmaidens I will pour out in those days of my Spirit; and they shall prophesy

We see here the apostles were astonished because God gave the gentiles the Holy Ghost.We see in the scripture that tongues is a sign to the unbelievers.Who was the unbelievers here ? The ones who didn't believe God gave the Holy Ghost to the gentiles,they were unbelievers because they didn't believe God was giving the Holy Ghost to the gentiles.So tongues was a sign to the apostles that God gave the Holy Ghost to the gentiles.You see the apostles were not unbelievers in that they didn't believe in God but they were unbelievers because they didn't believe God was giving the Holy Ghost to the gentiles.So many times people speak in tongues because they don't believe they are filled unless they do speak in tongues.

Acts10:[44] While Peter yet spake these words, the Holy Ghost fell on all them which heard the word.
[45] And they of the circumcision which believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because that on the Gentiles also was poured out the gift of the Holy Ghost.
[46] For they heard them speak with tongues, and magnify God. Then answered Peter,
[47] Can any man forbid water, that these should not be baptized, which have received the Holy Ghost as well as we?
[48] And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord. Then prayed they him to tarry certain days

1 Cor.14:22] Wherefore tongues are for a sign, not to them that believe, but to them that believe not: but prophesying serveth not for them that believe not, but for them which believe

Believe what God says NOT man.God said they would prophesy and have dreams and visions when he pours out his Spirit.Acts.2:16: But this is that which was spoken by the prophet Joel.17: And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams.

The word prophecy means to preach and teach and fortell.We all prophecy or witness.We prophecy to people in their own tongue (language) as they did on the day of pentecost and other times as written in the book of acts or we prophecy to people in our own tongue (language).Acts1:8: But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Walkbyfaith7

I do know that many prophesied while filled with baptized with the Holy Ghost.
And Paul said being used in prophecy is greater than speaking with tongues.

Paul also said forbid not to speak in tongues. Paul never said YOU HAVE TO SPEAK IN TONGUES.

Big difference between what the bible teaches and what the holy prophets said than what most organizations have for their doctrine.

This post doesn't address a thing I said, so Ill just let someone else take it

[TRFrance]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

This post doesn't address a thing I said, so Ill just let someone else take it

I felt tempted to grab that one bro, but I'm not even going to bother. This is the 3rd thread in the past 24 hours where I've seen this person demonstrating poor biblical analysis and exegesis in trying to make some kind of doctrinal point.

Besides, I'm getting the sense that there's an agenda at work here, to attack or undermine traditional Apostolic doctrine.I already went thru that junk with D.A. & company. I'm going to take a pass on this one. There are many others here who are more than qualified to take this one on.

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[scotty]

Originally Posted by TRFrance

I felt tempted to grab that one bro, but I'm not even going to bother. This is the 3rd thread in the past 24 hours where I've seen this person demonstrating poor biblical analysis and exegesis in trying to make some kind of doctrinal point.

Besides, I'm getting the sense that there's an agenda at work here, to attack or undermine traditional Apostolic doctrine.I already went thru that junk with D.A. & company. I'm going to take a pass on this one. There are many others here who are more than qualified to take this one on.

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I agree

[Apprehended]

Did John the Baptist talk in tongues? Maybe in the embrionic fluid????

Naaaah! He never did.

In fact, John did no miracles. Yet, of all that were born of women none were greater than John up to then.

The main point is this:

John the baptist had the Holy Ghost from his mother's womb and yet never recorded did he speak in tongues.

Paul instructed the church and said not to forbid to speak in tongues but that it is one of the lesser gifts and rather covet to prophesy.

Paul also instructed not to all speak in tongues in church or else someone is going to come into your church and think that you are crazy.

But Paul said you should prophesy and reveal the secrets of his heart and then surely they will fall down and their face and know that God is in you!

[Jekyll]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

No it does not. It proves what I pointed out earlier...NOBODY spoke with tongues, having the Spirit, before Pentecost

Bravo. This is the right answer. I wish everything was that easy lol.

John's baptism didn't wash anyones sins away either, but he baptized also.

[Arphaxad]

Originally Posted by Walkbyfaith7

The main point is this:

John the baptist had the Holy Ghost from his mother's womb and yet never recorded did he speak in tongues.

Paul instructed the church and said not to forbid to speak in tongues but that it is one of the lesser gifts and rather covet to prophesy.

Paul also instructed not to all speak in tongues in church or else someone is going to come into your church and think that you are crazy.

But Paul said you should prophesy and reveal the secrets of his heart and then surely they will fall down and their face and know that God is in you!

Paul also said he spoke in tongues more than they also. I crack up when people say tongues is a "lesser" gift, like it has no value at all. I mean, c'mon, it's a supernatural thing from God, that alone makes it better than anything I can recieve from anyone here. BTW, something to ponder, why was Paul the writer of more of the N.T. than anyone else, and the greater missionary than anyone else? Maybe because he spoke in tongues more than anyone else? think about it.


ARPH

[Sam]

Originally Posted by Walkbyfaith7

The main point is this:

John the baptist had the Holy Ghost from his mother's womb and yet never recorded did he speak in tongues.

Paul instructed the church and said not to forbid to speak in tongues but that it is one of the lesser gifts and rather covet to prophesy.

Paul also instructed not to all speak in tongues in church or else someone is going to come into your church and think that you are crazy.

But Paul said you should prophesy and reveal the secrets of his heart and then surely they will fall down and their face and know that God is in you!

John the Baptist, his mother and father, Simeon, Anna and others lived before this dispensation of grace. When the Holy Spirit came upon them or moved them or however He worked within, upon, or through them there was no record of "speaking with tongues." We are now living in a new dispensation. There are many actions of the Holy Spirit upon, within, and through folks since the new dispensation began (testator died). These works would be the Spirit drawing, opening up hearts, regenerating, baptizing (placing/plunging/immersing) into the body of Christ etc. Subsequent to salvation/regeneration, the Spirit leads, empowers, releases gifts etc. One of the manifestations of the Spirit's operation is speaking with tongues but this gift/manifestation has nothing to do with salvation/regeneration (it is post-salvation experience).

[Theophil]

Originally Posted by mizpeh

What organizations are you talking about?


There are 3 places in the book of Acts which connect tongues with the baptism of the Holy Ghost? How many times do you want it to be listed before you will believe it? Did you know there are only four verses that link saved and grace together. Is that enough to let us know we are saved by the grace of God?

bump for mizpeh