Acts 2:38

[rgcraig]

Hopefully by now we've shown that we all believe in Acts 2:38!

[jrLA]

Originally Posted by LordChocolate

This is an "Apostolic Forum". The premise is that ALL believe the basic doctrine of
1. Repentance
2. Baptism in the Name of Jesus Christ(Not FSHG).
3. Infilling of the Holy Ghost with the EVIDENCE of speaking with other tongues.

IF YOU DO NOT BELIEVE THE ABOVE, YOU ARE NOT APOSTOLIC AND WILL NOT GO TO HEAVEN. To argue this on an apostolic forum is ASININE. The only ones that would argue against this ARE NOT APOSTOLIC which means THEY ARE NOT CHRISTIAN. This is truth. This is the gospel truth. There is no way around it and any other gospel is done by thieves.

I know some are going to take me to task for this but I say

Originally Posted by Neckstadt

When you bypass the Cross on your slamdunk to Acts 2:38.

You miss the power of God unto Salvation.

The Preaching of the Cross!.

That is why so many Jesus Name Churches Baptize many and get them sepaking in tongues and few stay.

You having them shed tears, get their bodies wet and their tongues awagging.

But their hearts are not pricked by the finished work of Calvary!

Acts 2:38 is not the absolute message of Peter in Acts chapter 2.

Read what comes before Acts 2:38.

Baptize them that are pricked in their hearts..

Not those who are commanded "You have to be Acts 2:38'd".

Tell me how your church works with someone who is first time in your service.

They are at the alter.

What are you saying to them?

That is my question?

It's just not in the formula it is in how you get them to Acts 2:38.

Actually, both are correct. I wholeheartedly believe what 'LordChocolate' posted. Acts 2:38 is the correct formula and I believe the path to being born again. As well, Neckstadt is also correct. There is MUCH more to salvation than just a formula.

We have been so good at putting the formula out there that we often miss 'the rest of the story'. The HG simply gives us access to the realm where God is in control. We 'see the Kingdom' or the area God reigns with this access. But to live for God successfully is falling in love with Him, and understanding the finished work of calvary. We must have a relationship with God almighty. That is daily commnion with Him.

I have seen it so often and it saddens my heart to see so many struggle in living for God. It is simply because they get the cart before the horse. I say, fall in love with Him, get to know Him. The rest will come.

Thanks to both of you...you are both correct.

[pelathais]

Originally Posted by Sam

I prefer the "original" version instead of the revised version.

Amen! Everything else is an innovation and takes away from our Apostolic heritage.

Those who want to tear down our Apostolic heritage have carried their personal attacks to the point of rending the body of Christ. They have added the 1973 clause to the Fundamental Doctrine that W.T. Witherspoon typed up back in 1945. They added the 1977 television ministry resolution and then they added the terrible 1992 Affirmation Statement.

Why aren't these people satisfied with the saving Gospel of Jesus Christ? Why must they continually add their own man-made doctrines and mean spirited resolutions?

[pelathais]

Originally Posted by rgcraig

Hopefully by now we've shown that we all believe in Acts 2:38!

Why do we have to "show it" to such a tacky display of irrationality? Why can't "they" show that they love the Gospel by preaching it?

[scotty]

Originally Posted by jrLA

Actually, both are correct. I wholeheartedly believe what 'LordChocolate' posted. Acts 2:38 is the correct formula and I believe the path to being born again. As well, Neckstadt is also correct. There is MUCH more to salvation than just a formula.

We have been so good at putting the formula out there that we often miss 'the rest of the story'. The HG simply gives us access to the realm where God is in control. We 'see the Kingdom' or the area God reigns with this access. But to live for God successfully is falling in love with Him, and understanding the finished work of calvary. We must have a relationship with God almighty. That is daily commnion with Him.

I have seen it so often and it saddens my heart to see so many struggle in living for God. It is simply because they get the cart before the horse. I say, fall in love with Him, get to know Him. The rest will come.

Thanks to both of you...you are both correct.

I agree. I don't believe you can have one without the other, having said that I feel I need to say this (as I duck behind a wall and prepare for the barrage) I don't think the Holy Ghost infilling is so easily given. (maybe I am understanding some wrong on here, if so ignore and smack me on forhead) The only way to recieve the HG is through true repentance, true repentance can only be obtained through complete understanding of the cross, thus I am failing to see why there is a need or split between those who hold up Acts 2-38 and the work at the cross. I simply don't believe it is possible to have one without complete understanding of the other.
Where I think we lose out is "enforcing" standards. Yes I believe standards are good and should be adhered to, but only through conviction of the Spirit. If someone should be obeying a standard it is the Spirit's job to convict that person of it, not mans. Too many UPC and Apostolic's try to push the Holiness standards on a new saint when we should simply just be saints of God.

[rgcraig]

Originally Posted by pelathais

Why do we have to "show it" to such a tacky display of irrationality? Why can't "they" show that they love the Gospel by preaching it?

It's a private issue......lol!

[OneAccord]

Originally Posted by scotty

I agree. I don't believe you can have one without the other, having said that I feel I need to say this (as I duck behind a wall and prepare for the barrage) I don't think the Holy Ghost infilling is so easily given. (maybe I am understanding some wrong on here, if so ignore and smack me on forhead) The only way to recieve the HG is through true repentance, true repentance can only be obtained through complete understanding of the cross, thus I am failing to see why there is a need or split between those who hold up Acts 2-38 and the work at the cross. I simply don't believe it is possible to have one without complete understanding of the other.
Where I think we lose out is "enforcing" standards. Yes I believe standards are good and should be adhered to, but only through conviction of the Spirit. If someone should be obeying a standard it is the Spirit's job to convict that person of it, not mans. Too many UPC and Apostolic's try to push the Holiness standards on a new saint when we should simply just be saints of God.

Scotty, Scotty.......








































I agree wholeheartedly. I've said it many times, holiness isn't something that can be legislated. We are made holy through the Blood of Jesus, and, as we live for Him, and learn of His Word through the leadership of the Holy Ghost and through the ministry, we will "put on holiness". "Making" someone holiness doesn't make them holy. Only the work of conversion, through repentance (which is God's job ) and obeying the Scriptures (which in my job) can do that. Good post!

[Carpenter]

Originally Posted by pelathais

Amen! Everything else is an innovation and takes away from our Apostolic heritage.

Those who want to tear down our Apostolic heritage have carried their personal attacks to the point of rending the body of Christ. They have added the 1973 clause to the Fundamental Doctrine that W.T. Witherspoon typed up back in 1945. They added the 1977 television ministry resolution and then they added the terrible 1992 Affirmation Statement.

Why aren't these people satisfied with the saving Gospel of Jesus Christ? Why must they continually add their own man-made doctrines and mean spirited resolutions?

Are you saying change is bad?




How come you didn't include the new Resolution 4 in your rantings?

[Carpenter]

Originally Posted by Carpenter

Great Post!!

Process and paper over power.

I am kind of surprised no one asked me what I meant by this...




Ok, thanks Renda, because you asked...

The forumula has been implemented to the extent that the success of the evangelist is tied to numbers, number prayed through, number baptized, numbers at the altar. Number, paper, process...

If an evangelist, preacher, profit...ooops, prophet, or pastor, wants to know how successful his ministry is, lets talk retention, lets talk empowerment, lets talk progressive results instead of the static "raise your hand if the person you are praying with speaks in tongues!!!.....1, 2, 10.. We now have had 10, 10 people speak in tongues!! woooo hooooo!!"

[rgcraig]

Originally Posted by Carpenter

I am kind of surprised no one asked me what I meant by this...




Ok, thanks Renda, because you asked...

The forumula has been implemented to the extent that the success of the evangelist is tied to numbers, number prayed through, number baptized, numbers at the altar. Number, paper, process...

If an evangelist, preacher, profit...ooops, prophet, or pastor, wants to know how successful his ministry is, lets talk retention, lets talk empowerment, lets talk progressive results instead of the static "raise your hand if the person you are praying with speaks in tongues!!!.....1, 2, 10.. We now have had 10, 10 people speak in tongues!! woooo hooooo!!"

Thanks!