There Has Been A Change

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Brother Strange

I do not seek to know men after the flesh. That is far too deceptive. I seek to know them after the spirit. It is hard to be fooled when you know them after the spirit.

Do you also subscribe to the teachings of the Cathedral of Wisdom as this celebrated upc prophet?

I guess the answer is no, you do not know this person. So I must ask what makes you think this person subscribes to the teachings of the Cathedral of Wisdom?

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Cotton Mather

"uncommon seed for an uncommon harvest" is classic prosperity speak.

Surely you agree? It's disturbing that we have to beg people to give by using the lingo of lying Charismatic preachers who are only out to build an earthly kingdom for themselves.

Prosperity preachers use a lot of words we do, the difference is in HOW they use them. Even the bible uses seed and harvest in analogies. So the issue is not that this person used these words, but what was meant. The prosperity folks see harvest as meaning your personal kingdom getting bigger in natural things like money. How did this person use it?

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by COOPER

I am afraid it is Traditions, Pride and heritage that is stiff arming Gods will for the UPCI.

great...the UPC takes it from both sides....You got the liberal types that hate the UPC over standards and the others that think UPC ministers are preaching prosperity doctrines and by a demonic spirit....wow.

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Brother Strange

It was not that alone that made me to know he was a student of the Catheral of Wisdom. He carries the same spirit and also used other words verbatim right from their teachings.

Can you elaborate on this "Cathedral of Wisdom" thing? Is there a link for it? BTW even Christianity with it's virgin birth story has been accused of getting it from pagan religions like Mithra because of the similarities

[rgcraig]

Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea

It appears he has changed the name to the Wisdom Center ... here is their website .... http://www.thewisdomcenter.tv/

Prax, here's the link.

[Scott Hutchinson]

Wisdom center now I might need that school , the school of hard knocks and the fool school are about the only schools I ever seem to attend.

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by rgcraig

Prax, here's the link.

What a nasty website. It looks like a game show website.

[Jehoram]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

What a nasty website. It looks like a game show website.

Stop being so critical Praxeas.

[ChTatum]

Originally Posted by mizpeh

Are you suggesting another 400 years of silence from God while we await the second coming of Christ?

I am NOT espousing this as doctrine, it just came to my mind as I read your post.....

There was a period of silence before the first coming of Christ......

Elder Strange,
I am tired of the emotionalism that proclaims "WE HAD CHURCH TONIGHT!"


I have been in many services where God moved mightily and no one shouted, ran, or danced in the Spirit. But the altars were full of those crying and seeking God.

In talking with a sister this past week, she told of one church she had attended where people, especially young people, would shout so that people would STOP praying for them, dragging them to the altar, and shaking them mercilessly, pushing their heads back, screaming "let go" in one ear and "hang on" in the other. They shouted for self-preservation, not because they felt anything from God.

And competitive holiness marches on.....

[Praxeas]

But I was listening to Suber and the Issachar Institute and I got the same sort of "prosperity teaching" feeling from them. I don't really know, without watching more if that was their game...to teach that if you sow a seed of money God will prosper you.

Does anyone here believe that if you give financially by faith God will bless you for it?