Healthcare is not a right

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by n david

You're kidding, right?

Now car ownership is a right?

I wonder if he believes people should turn away home buyers just because they don't have the cash or ability to secure a loan to buy the property?

[Originalist]

Originally Posted by Esaias

I wonder if he believes people should turn away home buyers just because they don't have the cash or ability to secure a loan to buy the property?

We already tried that.

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by Originalist

We already tried that.

Yeah, I missed out on it lol.

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by aegsm76

Obviously, what we need to do is put all aspects of the automotive industry under government control.
Then start a program where when a new car is purchased there is a fee assessed that will be used to help the "poor" purchase a vehicle.

Bingo! Healthcare is different from a product like an automobile. Nobody can go to a car dealership without financing or cash and get a car. But people go to the ER or local clinics and get care, and they receive care regardless as to if they have insurance or not.

In fact, the Hippocratic Oath would require a medical professional to do all that is necessary to treat the sick or injured, rather they have the ability to pay or not.

The issue is, the care they receive isn't often the level of care that they need. And they don't pay their bill so it drives up costs for the rest of us.

Everyone will need healthcare at some point. Everyone. Everyone should pay somethin towards their care and the care of others. Everyone.

Why?

Dummies that don't want to help provide comprehensive care for their society are only going to end up with a society wherein a significant number of people are untreated and spreading sickness and disease. Some might ask me why I wouldn't mind paying taxes and supporting the public school system . Well, I know that not all kids can attend a private school or be home schooled. So, I support a public educational system that can provide at least the basics because I don't want to live in a nation of absolute dummies.

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by aegsm76

Why do you trust the government more than individuals?

Aegsm.... you didn't answer the question. The cost of the uninsured is what is driving our premiums up. Most of these people are employed, but they don't get health insurance from their employer. Numerous employers only schedule people for 38 hours a week, just to ensure that they are "part time" in order to evade having to provide insurance packages. These people go to the ER, get treatment, and then can't pay the bill. That loss is passed down to us in higher costs that drive up premiums. YOU ARE ALREADY PAYING FOR THE UNINSURED. The problem is that since we're dealing with private companies, there are fees and extra administration costs involved (nearly 31% extra). So the reality is... WE'RE WHO PAY SUCH HIGH PREMIUMS ARE ALREADY PAYING FOR THE UNINSURED IN THE MOST EXPENSIVE WAY POSSIBLE.

Do you believe that if a service is available to everyone, every able bodied individual should have to pay into the system? I do.

Here's your pathetic bait and switch. You accuse me wanting to force people to pay out the nose for others, but it is actually YOU who is defending a system wherein costs are inflated by paying for those who don't pay anything and corporate profits. It is my position that would require everyone to pay for access the open access to healthcare.

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by Esaias

I wonder if he believes people should turn away home buyers just because they don't have the cash or ability to secure a loan to buy the property?

That's my point. If healthcare were like buying a car or a house, we'd turn sick people away. But not only is that inhumane, it is a public health risk. So healthcare is DIFFERENT from purchasing your typical commodity, product, or service.

[Aquila]

Just imagine a society wherein a quarter of the population can't go to the hospital, family doctor, or specialist.... and a contagious epidemic breaks out. It would be a public health disaster. By ensuring that all are covered, we're actually protecting ourselves and our families.

[Originalist]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...-activity.html

Latest WikiLeaks release shows how the CIA uses computer code to hide the origins of its hacking attacks and 'disguise them as Russian or Chinese activity...
WikiLeaks published 676 source code files today which it claimed are from CIA.
It says the CIA disguised its own hacking attacks to make it appear those responsible were Russian, Chinese, Iranian or North Korean.


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...#ixzz4cuhx05NI

[Originalist]

Originally Posted by Aquila

Just imagine a society wherein a quarter of the population can't go to the hospital, family doctor, or specialist.... and a contagious epidemic breaks out. It would be a public health disaster. By ensuring that all are covered, we're actually protecting ourselves and our families.

They can go. That's just it. If they are low income, they are evaluated case by case. If they are middle income, they may get a bill if they are uninsured. The bill might be adjusted because they don't have insurance. They might have to make payments for a long time. But they cannot be turned away for treatment.

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by Originalist

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...-activity.html

Latest WikiLeaks release shows how the CIA uses computer code to hide the origins of its hacking attacks and 'disguise them as Russian or Chinese activity...
WikiLeaks published 676 source code files today which it claimed are from CIA.
It says the CIA disguised its own hacking attacks to make it appear those responsible were Russian, Chinese, Iranian or North Korean.


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...#ixzz4cuhx05NI

Too bad for Trump you have people in his own campaign preparing to through him under the bus... and Russians who have all but bragged about it. Not to mention the sudden wave of Russian techies and insiders being killed.