Television Issue!

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by notofworks

"We disapprove of OUR PEOPLE.....".

That's you, Prax!!


Thank you for your completely irrelevant definition. Here's one for you:

sa·tan·ic   
[suh-tan-ik, sey-] Show IPA
–adjective
1.
of Satan.
2.
characteristic of or befitting Satan; extremely wicked; devillike; diabolical.


That's what YOUR religious system calls your television.

NOW somehow thinks that by ignoring what I posted and using large letters the definition of "disapprove" will somehow change.

It's not a command and whatever the UPC officially says about TV is irrelevant as long as there is no attendance requirement.

In fact that is impossible. UPC churches are autonomous. The UPC can't make or force attendance requirements on each church.

Therefore your false accusation about dishonesty is just that, your false accusation.

You're true colors are showing NOW

[notofworks]

Originally Posted by unitedpraise10

I will OBEY!!! my pastor and the bible sunny boy....not a manual!

Fantastic. Then be a man, an honest one, and leave the UPC.

[jfrog]

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

And that is any different than the AS? I don't think it is.


Then I hope when you get a job, you agree with EVERY rule because you won't get a paycheck. I obeyed my teachers because I would get expelled, not because I agreed with them. When my sister tells us to take off our shoes when we come to her home, I think it's stupid, but I comply.

It's only complicated because people want it to be. We have been in change for some time now. I believe people sign it because they believe the plan of salvation and not because they believe everything else. So, who is going to jump ship over something like that? I'm not. Acts 2:38 is something God showed me. It's exactly how we preach it. Nothing else is as important to me.

And I was more traumatized by what the world demanded of me, than I have ever been by the church. I know that's not everyone's story, but it is mine.

PO, if Obama signed something that said he would do this and that you would be all over him for being a hypocrite if he didn't do exactly what he signed he would do. In fact you would probably be arguing that he's too much of a liar to be president for doing such a thing.

[unitedpraise10]

Originally Posted by notofworks

And in this I totally agree. It is not acceptable to live a lie, be a phony, and practice complete dishonesty. Yes, the church has changed.

BUDDY.

We finally agree on something...haha! YES!

Yes the church has changed, hence why the manual will be changed very soon! We adjust, we adapt, because we can!

[unitedpraise10]

Originally Posted by notofworks

Fantastic. Then be a man, an honest one, and leave the UPC.

NEVER! I'm happy!

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by jfrog

PO, if Obama signed something that said he would do this and that you would be all over him for being a hypocrite if he didn't do exactly what he signed he would do. In fact you would probably be arguing that he's too much of a liar to be president for doing such a thing.

Like I said, for the greater good of what you agree with, you will sign the bill. It doesn't make you a liar. I didn't think he was a liar when he said he would close Gitmo. I knew he couldn't do it and would find out that he couldn't.

So, again, you want us to change and then you want us to comply. You can't have both. And you can't turn a ship around in one day, one year and sometimes not even 10, but you stay in the ship - especially - if God tells you to stay in the ship.

[Praxeas]

NOW your posts make me wonder about the "oh you're just bitter" stuff UCs say about people like you. You really do come off appearing like someone that is just bitter and full of spite. Maybe that is the reason your church treated you a certain way when you left....all the fiery darts you throw at them, I can see why they tried to avoid you now :-/

I used to try to sympathize with you, but I have many friends that left the UPC and they never ever come off as vitriolic like you.

You took what was a topic about TV and Internet and made it about other board members morality.

[jfrog]

Originally Posted by unitedpraise10

We finally agree on something...haha! YES!

Yes the church has changed, hence why the manual will be changed very soon! We adjust, we adapt, because we can!

From all I am hearing you are arguing there's nothing wrong between your pastors actions and that statement he signs so why even care if the statement is changed?

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by unitedpraise10

NEVER! I'm happy!

LOL! Been through some rough times, like everyone else, but I'm not leaving unless God opens another door.

[*AQuietPlace*]

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

And that is any different than the AS? I don't think it is.

It's COMPLETELY different. It's not placing your signature to the words.... I AGREE.

Then I hope when you get a job, you agree with EVERY rule because you won't get a paycheck. I obeyed my teachers because I would get expelled, not because I agreed with them. When my sister tells us to take off our shoes when we come to her home, I think it's stupid, but I comply.

It's only complicated because people want it to be. We have been in change for some time now. I believe people sign it because they believe the plan of salvation and not because they believe everything else. So, who is going to jump ship over something like that? I'm not. Acts 2:38 is something God showed me. It's exactly how we preach it. Nothing else is as important to me.

And I was more traumatized by what the world demanded of me, than I have ever been by the church. I know that's not everyone's story, but it is mine.

I have a job. I do have to agree to certain rules. And IF I BREAK THAT AGREEMENT I'll get fired!! That's the point! I don't sign that I'll agree to something and then just not do it and think it's no big deal!

I'm not talking about attending a UPC church and not agreeing with everything that's taught. I'm talking about SIGNING A PAPER that states that I DO agree. Completely different thing.