Ray Boltz????

[jaxfam6]

Originally Posted by Amos

The sad truth is, he is no more lost today because of his homosexuality than he has always been because of his failure to obey Acts 2:38.

good point

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by DerrickS

I don't think all sin requires demonic influence. Man has a sinful nature, and can easily fall into sin without any assistance.

Flesh works together with the demonic. What do you think all those wicked spirits are doing? Watching us fool ourselves?

[OnTheFritz]

Originally Posted by mfblume

Flesh works together with the demonic. What do you think all those wicked spirits are doing? Watching us fool ourselves?

Yep.

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by nahkoe

We seriously disagree about what sin is then. But I see more clearly where you're coming from.

I think you are far from where I am coming from according to this response from you. Nothing I have said defines sin.

Sin is a force within our flesh that urges us to commit sins, wrong actions. Sin is a force in and of itself without the assistance of a devil. But there is a devil and there are demons, and it is simply a fact that they work together.

[OnTheFritz]

Originally Posted by mfblume

I think you are far from where I am coming from according to this response from you. Nothing I have said defines sin.

Sin is a force within our flesh that urges us to commit sins, wrong actions. Sin is a force in and of itself without the assistance of a devil. But there is a devil and there are demons, and it is simply a fact that they work together.

I agree with this. That's not what I thought you were saying before.

[nahkoe]

Originally Posted by mfblume

I think you are far from where I am coming from according to this response from you. Nothing I have said defines sin.

Sin is a force within our flesh that urges us to commit sins, wrong actions. Sin is a force in and of itself without the assistance of a devil. But there is a devil and there are demons, and it is simply a fact that they work together.

But that isn't what you said...

Originally Posted by mfblume

All sin is demonic. Devils tempt us and urge to any sort of sin. And although a devil may not necessarily be within a person who commits a certain sin, there is a devil with the nature of every sin imaginable. So sin is simply demonic in nature, generally speaking.

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by nahkoe

But that isn't what you said...

No, lol, you did not understand what I said. When I said all sin is demonic I meant every sin has a spirit associated with it, but that did not mean sin is not, in and of itself, a force we contend with even in absence of devils.

[nahkoe]

Originally Posted by mfblume

No, lol, you did not understand what I said. When I said all sin is demonic I meant every sin has a spirit associated with it, but that did not mean sin is not, in and of itself, a force we contend with even in absence of devils.

Right, I saw that. But I'm not so sure what I think of that.

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by nahkoe

Right, I saw that. But I'm not so sure what I think of that.

Then what are demons doing in the world? Watching us? How are they involved in anything? What are the fiery darts of the wicked? How do we combat principalities and powers? These are questions to inspire some thought about what I tried to say.

Anyway, one has to be involved in casting out of devils to actually deal with these questions. I am sure those who have been involved will join in and have much to say.

[OnTheFritz]

Originally Posted by mfblume

Then what are demons doing in the world? Watching us? How are they involved in anything? What are the fiery darts of the wicked? How do we combat principalities and powers? These are questions to inspire some thought about what I tried to say.

Anyway, one has to be involved in casting out of devils to actually deal with these questions. I am sure those who have been involved will join in and have much to say.

We seem to be jumping from a "no demons" or "all demons" argument. It's simple. Demons can influence us to sin. We can sin all by ourselves. These are not mutually exclusive.