Apostolic Feminists

[triumphant1]

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

He told the preachers to GO preach the gospel not women unless you call witnessing preaching.

Below are the names of ALL the women in the NT who preached in public assemblies to men:

But of coarse there were many other men who preached and taught that are not listed either so that kindof taints this particular reasoning in my opinion...

When Luke wrote his account he primarily focused on certain events that surrounded a handful of people at best...

There are enough references to women in the writings though to see that there were at least several mentioned by name that held prominant positions....

To completly "x" them out of teaching/preaching on the basis of them not being exampled would be to "x" out the pastors who held weekly, and even daily, services in the early church...

Unless you think Peter and Paul were translated in a constant whirlwind of services...."Every body just hold on, Paul will be appearing in a moment. Ours is his 14th stop today....."

Besides...."your sons and daughters shall prophesy"

[berkeley]

Originally Posted by triumphant1

I would have to agree in that it wasn't very appealing to me either...

Yeah, that was really sick. I have no problem with women preachers. I wouldn't sit under a woman pastor, hard enough for me to submit to a man pastor, hah.

Well behaved women rarely made history ~ Eleanor Roosevelt

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[RevDWW]

Originally Posted by Berkeley

Yeah, that was really sick. I have no problem with women preachers. I wouldn't sit under a woman pastor, hard enough for me to submit to a man pastor, hah.

You, my friend, are a hoot!

[berkeley]

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

He told the preachers to GO preach the gospel not women unless you call witnessing preaching.

Below are the names of ALL the women in the NT who preached in public assemblies to men:

You don't think it had anything to do with the cultural norm of the day. ??

[RevDWW]

Originally Posted by CupCake

Well behaved women rarely made history ~ Eleanor Roosevelt

Mybe not, but the do add civility.

[Steve Epley]

Originally Posted by Berkeley

You don't think it had anything to do with the cultural norm of the day. ??

Nope!!!!!!!!


Women can go nuts every month He knew this.

[SDG]

Elder ...

Ecclesiastes

Here some hard facts you can't ignore:
1. Of the ministry of PROPHETS this included women! Young's Analytical Concordance p. 78 defines a "PROPHETESS" as a female
preacher."

2. "In Hebrew the word "preacher" is a FEMININE word and literally means, *a FEMALE lector, orator, or a preacher.* Look it up in Strongs and see if this is the definition?"


3. Biblically speaking Romans 16:1-2 describes Phebe as a Pastor. The word "servant" is "diakonos" Strongs defines this a "Christian minister or Pastor." Paul also states that Phebe was a "succourer" of many, this is the noun form of the verb "rule". A "succourer" according to THAYER means, "a woman set over others." Also Phebe was the one delegating business, "see that ye assist HER in whatsoever things SHE hath need of YOU to do." This does not describe the acts of a slave (as many would have us believe) or the text would have said, "see that SHE assist YOU in whatsoever things you hath need of HER." Phebe was the one in charge of the business of the Church.

4. 1Timothy 2:12 for the context changes from MEN and WOMEN to just man and woman (singular) who is this man and woman? Well, Paul uses the illustration of Adam and Eve, who were they? They were HUSBAND and WIFE! The word man is "aner" and the word woman is "gune". These two words used together in the singular ALWAYS mean "husband and wife"! Paul goes on to say that the woman will be saved in childbearing, where dies this take place? In the church or in the home? Obviously in the home i.e. husband and wife. Paul concludes by saying "if THEY" continue in faith". Who is THEY? Well, obviously it is a HUSBAND and WIFE! Luther's German translation states: "I permit not a wife to teach or domineer over her husband." What Paul is prohibiting is a woman usurping authority over her husband."

5. As for a woman keeping silent in the church ....
You need to figure out what "LAW" is referred to in 1Corinthians 14:34-35. This "LAW" is the one that "SAYS" that a woman are to be silent in the churches "as also saith the law" then Paul states: "for it is a shame for a woman to speak in the church" literally this is "for it is a shame for a woman to speak in the congregation" what LAW says so? Study 1Corinthians and you will see that Paul is responding to a letter written to him by Chole 1Corinthians 1, and beginning at chapter u7 he deals with specific issues of the letter. Now concerning the things you wrote unto me... We find a pattern of Paul quoting from the letter written by the Corinthians or stating the situation in Corinth. 1 Corinthians 14:34-35 IS NOT a command of Paul but rather a quotation from the letter written by the Corinthians who were imposing this "LAW" upon the church that women should not speak. What is this "LAW" the only LAw that says women should not speak in the congregation of men" --that is from the Talmud!

The Corinthians had embraced the Talmud and were teaching it as the commandments of God, and Paul said, "WHAT" in Greek this is the "e" participle and is a stiff rebuke to what just proceeded it. Paul uses this many times in 1Corinthians. Paul is rebuking the Corinthians for not letting women speak. "WHAT" came the word of God unto you, WHAT or came it unto you only, if any man be a prophet or spiritual, let him acknowledge that the thing I WRITE (as opposed to what the Corinthians had wrote) are the commandments of God." Paul wrote that women could pray and prophesy in church 1Corinthians 11.

Paul wrote that women labored with him in THE GOSPEL Philippians 4:3. Paul wrote That a woman was a minister of the Church Romans 16:1.

Paul writes that a woman was an apostle Romans 16:7, Junia is a woman's name and to be "among the apostles" means to be apart of the apostles in the same sense that the tongue is among our members.

[berkeley]

Originally Posted by RevDWW

You, my friend, are a hoot!

Allow me to be more clear, I do not believe in women pastors. Shevangelists are fine, but I'm with Carp, I don't like hearing women whine, I mean, preach.

[berkeley]

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

Nope!!!!!!!!


Women can go nuts every month He knew this.

Ahh, well half a womans sermons would be on wrath.. the other half on knitting...