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11-19-2007, 02:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Praxeas
Not having an icon of a cross on or in a building does not mean Christianity with out the cross.
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I was adding to my original post as you were typing this post! 
All I can say is that the cross must not be of utmost importance. The cross is not the focus.
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11-19-2007, 02:13 PM
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Go Dodgers!
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Originally Posted by pentecostisalive
It is not a Camp Meeting message, and obviously is not intended to be. Bro. Booker is one of the best Camp Meeting speakers around. But this message is intended to explain the actions that he is taking to his church.
In my opinion, he did a good job. When a line is moved, everything else often follows. All students of history will tell you that. It has happened many times.
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Really? Well wait a second...a line was moved against TV in the past right? And using your logic EVERYTHING should have followed....right? So if your logic is true, why is the line going the other direction now?
And, are you saying that on TV alone everything rests? If the UPC had not voted against TV in such absolute terms in the past, would the UPC by this time be allowing homosexual preachers etc etc??? I mean....if it's true everything else will follow as you put it?
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Apostolic is defined on AFF as:
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- Every sinner must repent of their sins.
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11-19-2007, 02:14 PM
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Originally Posted by CareyM
That's too bad...sad day indeed, sounds like Oregon or typical West Coast style.
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Amen to that!
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11-19-2007, 02:15 PM
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Go Dodgers!
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Originally Posted by Pianoman
I was adding to my original post as you were typing this post!
All I can say is that the cross must not be of utmost importance. The cross is not the focus. |
Again, not having an icon of a cross inside or outside a building is not indicative of their view OF the cross in salvation...at least it shows they don't idolize the cross.
BTW the cross Jesus died on saves no one. It's his death on the cross that saves. It could have been a table of stone...it's not the cruel method that saves. It's not the wood or the fact that two beams bisect each other. It's him ON the cross.
So to truly be indicative, using what you said here, each church must have a cross with a bloody corpse on it hanging from the wall
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Let it be understood that Apostolic Friends Forum is an Apostolic Forum.
Apostolic is defined on AFF as:
- There is One God. This one God reveals Himself distinctly as Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
- The Son is God himself in a human form or "God manifested in the flesh" (1Tim 3:16)
- Every sinner must repent of their sins.
- That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
- That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
- The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.
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11-19-2007, 02:22 PM
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"It's Never Too Late"
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Pastor Larry Booker 1971 and Today:
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11-19-2007, 02:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Steadfast
What?!?!? And ruin a good bashing? You've got to be kidding!
I know Larry Booker... I preach for him and am scheduled to be there again in a few months. SO MUCH of what is being said of the man is simply not true.
He's a man of convictions and depth who has the guts to stand by his convictions even if it makes him unpopular. Obviously that is not a very 'welcomed' thing among some of the AFF crowd.
If you don't share his convictions, fine. But why attack someone over something they have a conviction over? It simply shows the shallowness of some on this forum.
For the record, I have spoken to Bro. Booker at some length and have NEVER heard him trash one person by name. I've never heard him put ONE PERSON IN HELL over this resolution. His mentality is simply, "I don't agree and will find fellowship elsewhere to protect what I believe is best for my church."
Oddly enough, I don't see that mentality reciprocated on this thread... or forum much for that matter.
In regards to his license? He says he isn't sure what he'll do and will have to make up his mind when the time comes.
Those are the facts... Not that facts would matter to those who would rather carry a club to pummel than 'good intentions'.
Sad.
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Brother, I appreciate your sentiments, but unless you have lived and breathed the politics in CA, pastored and tried to fellowship in this district, you really have no idea what we have lived with.
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11-19-2007, 02:27 PM
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Originally Posted by Praxeas
Again, not having an icon of a cross inside or outside a building is not indicative of their view OF the cross in salvation...at least it shows they don't idolize the cross.
BTW the cross Jesus died on saves no one. It's his death on the cross that saves. It could have been a table of stone...it's not the cruel method that saves. It's not the wood or the fact that two beams bisect each other. It's him ON the cross.
So to truly be indicative, using what you said here, each church must have a cross with a bloody corpse on it hanging from the wall
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The icon of the cross has been the christian symbol of the crucifiction for hundreds of years. We know that the cross itself doesn't save us, but what the cross represents can save us. Since the cross icon is prevelent in most all Christian churches, there had to be a conscious effort to NOT include it on their facilities.
BTW, a lighthouse doesn't save us either!
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11-19-2007, 02:50 PM
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Go Dodgers!
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Originally Posted by Pianoman
The icon of the cross has been the christian symbol of the crucifiction for hundreds of years. We know that the cross itself doesn't save us, but what the cross represents can save us. Since the cross icon is prevelent in most all Christian churches, there had to be a conscious effort to NOT include it on their facilities.
BTW, a lighthouse doesn't save us either!
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My point was and still is unchanged...NOT having the icon of a cross inside a building does not logically mean that church does not believe in the cross or does not emphasize it enough.
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Let it be understood that Apostolic Friends Forum is an Apostolic Forum.
Apostolic is defined on AFF as:
- There is One God. This one God reveals Himself distinctly as Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
- The Son is God himself in a human form or "God manifested in the flesh" (1Tim 3:16)
- Every sinner must repent of their sins.
- That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
- That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
- The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.
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11-19-2007, 03:02 PM
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Sister Alvear
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Hey, Sis. Alvear, my family and I are planning to visit Bro. Holmes this coming weekend. Can't wait. Haven't seen them since campmeeting.. We are praying for you and your family.
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Such a beautiful place. Blessing to you all from Brazil.
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11-19-2007, 03:11 PM
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Beautiful are the feet......
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Originally Posted by Praxeas
My point was and still is unchanged...NOT having the icon of a cross inside a building does not logically mean that church does not believe in the cross or does not emphasize it enough.
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One can also logically assume that a Christian church without the icon of the cross in it's newly built premises, has a focus other than on the cross.
I was minister of music at a church that built a new 1,200 seat worship center. We had a cross on the outside of the church, but not in the auditorium.
You wouldn't believe the complaints we heard from visitors that there wasn't a cross! In our baptistry area, we had a painting of a babbling brook. We had a plexiglass pulpit specially made that didn't include a cross. Oh how awful it was!!!  I told people thaat we assumed that they saw the cross on our building as they entered the church property!
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