What's your view on Hell?

[mizpeh]

Originally Posted by Esaias

Revelation 20:14 KJV
And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.

What kind of death is the second death?

[Amanah]

@Coksiw

Okay. Sweeping generalizations are probably not fair.

[1 God]

Originally Posted by Amanah

Teacher please explain to me why the rich man was lost and the poor man was saved?

Because he did not help Lazarus, the man he passed by. God wanted to use him to help Lazarus. This is a terrifying event that Jesus was discussing.

[Amanah]

Originally Posted by 1 God

Because he did not help Lazarus, the man he passed by. God wanted to use him to help Lazarus. This is a terrifying event that Jesus was discussing.

So, Jesus is teaching that if you pass by someone who is begging on a street corner and you dont help them you will burn and scream in agony in hell for eternity?

[1 God]

Put it this way, Jesus is teaching if you are rich and you let people starve at your gates of your mansion. You will perish in hell. Looks pretty simple to me.

[coksiw]

Originally Posted by 1 God

Per the discussion of the rich man in hell, Jesus is giving the human race a serious warning. If we dismiss it as untrue(hell), we likely offend Jesus and cross the line which can put us alongside the rich man. I just wonder how much we can actually get away with if we cast doubt on the plain words of the Son of God. Some call it a parable, but nobody there asked what else the discussion of the rich man and Lazarus meant. They knew what it meant. We are the ones that are making it say something else. This is very troubling.

1 God,


Who was him referring this parable to back then?

The context is "Luk 16:14 NKJV - 14 Now the Pharisees, who were lovers of money, also heard all these things, and they derided Him."

So it seems that the targeted audience consisted of the Pharisees, who already believed in Hades.

The point of the parable back then wasn't to tell them of the existence of Hades, but rather the everlasting consequences of their unrighteousness, or more precisely, the reverse of fortune: Son, remember that in your lifetime you received your good things, and likewise Lazarus evil things; but now he is comforted and you are tormented. Their unrighteousness was the lack of compassion for the poor, who were also children of Abraham, and therefore their brethren; which would be a violation of the law of Moses.

Mat 5:20 NKJV - 20 "For I say to you, that unless your righteousness exceeds [the righteousness] of the scribes and Pharisees, you will by no means enter the kingdom of heaven.

Luk 11:40-41 NKJV - 40 "Foolish ones! Did not He who made the outside make the inside also? 41 "But rather give alms of such things as you have; then indeed all things are clean to you.

There are also other points in the parable, of course, like the reality that if they haven't believed Moses's writings and obeyed a this point, they will not change even with great signs.

[Nicodemus1968]

Originally Posted by 1 God

Put it this way, Jesus is teaching if you are rich and you let people starve at your gates of your mansion. You will perish in hell. Looks pretty simple to me.

So you read that parable as in a literal sense?

I mean the way I’m reading this post of yours is, there is no reason why Jesus would use specific name in this parable, something he usually didn’t do. And the fact he uses Abraham, Lazarus, which means Eleazar in the Hebrew, stats that the rich man had 5 brothers (as did Judah). And you say it basically means if your rich and people die of hunger at your gates, you’re going to hell?

[coksiw]

I'm not surprised of such a discussion here about one of Jesus's parables. Parables and Apocalyptic have been the most abused genre in the Bible in the history of Christianity. They can be difficult. It can have many meanings.

Jesus himself said:

Luk 8:10 NKJV - 10 And He said, "To you it has been given to know the mysteries of the kingdom of God, but to the rest [it is given] in parables, that 'Seeing they may not see, And hearing they may not understand.'

So even back then, there was not an expectation of the parables to be fully understood by the original hearers.

[coksiw]

Originally Posted by coksiw

1 God,


Who was him referring this parable to back then?

The context is "Luk 16:14 NKJV - 14 Now the Pharisees, who were lovers of money, also heard all these things, and they derided Him."

So it seems that the targeted audience consisted of the Pharisees, who already believed in Hades.

The point of the parable back then wasn't to tell them of the existence of Hades, but rather the everlasting consequences of their unrighteousness, or more precisely, the reverse of fortune: Son, remember that in your lifetime you received your good things, and likewise Lazarus evil things; but now he is comforted and you are tormented. Their unrighteousness was the lack of compassion for the poor, who were also children of Abraham, and therefore their brethren; which would be a violation of the law of Moses.

Mat 5:20 NKJV - 20 "For I say to you, that unless your righteousness exceeds [the righteousness] of the scribes and Pharisees, you will by no means enter the kingdom of heaven.

Luk 11:40-41 NKJV - 40 "Foolish ones! Did not He who made the outside make the inside also? 41 "But rather give alms of such things as you have; then indeed all things are clean to you.

There are also other points in the parable, of course, like the reality that if they haven't believed Moses's writings and obeyed a this point, they will not change even with great signs.

Also, Esaias has a good point regarding the reference to the Chief Priest. The use of those references (5 brothers) could be a feature Jesus used to show the consequences of the behavior of a man the Pharisees probably admired and tried to follow.

[Nicodemus1968]

Originally Posted by coksiw

1 God,


Who was him referring this parable to back then?

The context is "Luk 16:14 NKJV - 14 Now the Pharisees, who were lovers of money, also heard all these things, and they derided Him."

So it seems that the targeted audience consisted of the Pharisees, who already believed in Hades.

The point of the parable back then wasn't to tell them of the existence of Hades, but rather the everlasting consequences of their unrighteousness, or more precisely, the reverse of fortune: Son, remember that in your lifetime you received your good things, and likewise Lazarus evil things; but now he is comforted and you are tormented. Their unrighteousness was the lack of compassion for the poor, who were also children of Abraham, and therefore their brethren; which would be a violation of the law of Moses.

Regarding the highlighted portion.

Then why did the consequence come after death?

The verse you posted says, the rich man was tormented, and Lazarus is comforted.