Were tithes ever required by Jesus or the Apostles?

Originally Posted by mfblume

No.

2Co 9:7 KJV Every man according as he purposeth in his heart, so let him give; not grudgingly, or of necessity: for God loveth a cheerful giver.

We CAN GIVE tithes, but it is not a law any more.

But tithes... come on. I mean less than a good tip????? lol

AT LEAST give tithes, but it is not a law for us in the New Testament.

Read the passage again: it doesn't say "so let him give tithes." Giving in the New Testament has nothing whatsoever to do with the Jewish practice of tithing. I'm almost certain that you agree; however, so many people like to read things into the scriptures.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Chan

Read the passage again: it doesn't say "so let him give tithes." Giving in the New Testament has nothing whatsoever to do with the Jewish practice of tithing.

Jewish pratice of giving? So where did the Christians learn of giving?

In Jesus name

Brother Benincasa

www.OnTimeJournal.com

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

Jewish pratice of giving? So where did the Christians learn of giving?

In Jesus name

Brother Benincasa

www.OnTimeJournal.com

I thought you were better at reading than that! Show me where in my post I said "the Jewish practice of giving." If you're going to challenge what I say, at least have the decency to challenge what I actually said.

[Digging4Truth]

The tithe was never about wages in the Bible.... ever.

It was about agricultural increase given by God and the returning of a portion of God's increase for His work to be accomplished.

Now people will jump in with their "Brother you fail to understand that it was an agrarian society" excuse.

In the whole of nearly 4000 years of biblical written history there is not one reference to the tithe having anything to do with wages. You'd think if God was talking about money then, over a span of 4000 years he'd find a way to mention that.

Also the very book (maybe chapter) where the tithe is instituted in the law there is also law given concerning lending money and usury.

So there was a monetary system in place and God said nothing about wages.
Nearly 4000 years passed and God said nothing of the tithe being on anyones wage.
Nearly 4000 years of written law and we have not one instance where a wage was tithed.
Jesus, when speaking of the tithe, again mention agricultural terms.
Malachi, when speaking of the tithe, speaks in agricultural terms.

And all they have to say is "Brother, you fail to understand that it was an agrarian society"

Also... to better understand what Malachi was talking about read my thread here.


And... let it not be said that I ever even vaguely suggested anyone not pay a tenth. I think it is a great guideline to start with.

But it can be said that I said that to teach it as a law is disingenuous IMO.

[Felicity]

Originally Posted by mfblume

I agree with you that giving is something we should never regret doing. I think that is your point, and I agree.

Not only not regret but not resent.

Giving is usually always an option. We can give or not. We can give beyond what we feel is our ability and trust God to supply, or we give what we know we can but as generously as we can as well. It's always our choice.

You can never go wrong by giving to God. He always blesses.

I also believe in good stewardship - that we take care of what God gives us and entrusts into our care. I don't believe that we should be "foolish" in giving. I've seen some people get swept up in the "emotion" of a moment and make pledges that they'll never keep. I've also known what it is to have God speak to me and tell me how much I need to give or if I should. So we need to keep our ears and hearts tuned to the prompting of the Holy Ghost in regard to our giving as well.

I thank God for people who are able and willing to "hear" the voice of God even when it comes to the aspect of giving and Christian stewardship and I bless those who have blessed me with their own giving at times when I was in need.

I've known people too who have the "gift" of financial giving. They're such a huge blessing to the work of God!

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by Felicity

Not only not regret but not resent.

RIGHT!

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by Chan

Read the passage again: it doesn't say "so let him give tithes." Giving in the New Testament has nothing whatsoever to do with the Jewish practice of tithing. I'm almost certain that you agree; however, so many people like to read things into the scriptures.

I do agree, but one MAY GIVE TITHES and benefit from that promise in the passage.

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

Do you believe if a person gives more or over ten percent they will be blessed?

If they give 5% they will be blessed. If they give 10% they will be blessed. If they give 85% they will be blessed. I beleive that the more one gives, percentage wise, that is the measure God will bless in return.

If the widow woman gave her mite and it was 100% of her funds, she would be blessed more than a rich man giving 10% of his million dollars, though the rich man's amount was far more than a mite.

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

Thank you for answering my question I too believe in tithing, and offerings in the New Testament. Brother Blume how do you teach tithing in the New Covenant?

I teach tithing without the curse if one fails to tithe. I teach give to the Lord and for the necessity of His work. But I do not teach a curse for those who do not give.

[Rico]

Originally Posted by Digging4Truth

The tithe was never about wages in the Bible.... ever.

It was about agricultural increase given by God and the returning of a portion of God's increase for His work to be accomplished.

Now people will jump in with their "Brother you fail to understand that it was an agrarian society" excuse.

In the whole of nearly 4000 years of biblical written history there is not one reference to the tithe having anything to do with wages. You'd think if God was talking about money then, over a span of 4000 years he'd find a way to mention that.

Also the very book (maybe chapter) where the tithe is instituted in the law there is also law given concerning lending money and usury.

So there was a monetary system in place and God said nothing about wages.
Nearly 4000 years passed and God said nothing of the tithe being on anyones wage.
Nearly 4000 years of written law and we have not one instance where a wage was tithed.
Jesus, when speaking of the tithe, again mention agricultural terms.
Malachi, when speaking of the tithe, speaks in agricultural terms.

And all they have to say is "Brother, you fail to understand that it was an agrarian society"

Also... to better understand what Malachi was talking about read my thread here.


And... let it not be said that I ever even vaguely suggested anyone not pay a tenth. I think it is a great guideline to start with.

But it can be said that I said that to teach it as a law is disingenuous IMO.

So the tithes Abraham gave were from a crop?